toastie
Sniffling Indie Kid
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Post by toastie on Jan 2, 2009 7:51:26 GMT -5
Adele, Amy Wine-cellar and Duffy all sound like cats getting gutted by fishing hook.
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 8:20:44 GMT -5
Sigh, clearly I shouldn't have said anything because now I am a racist!!eleventy!! Jesus wept. Yes, I'm from London - the east, so my cultural/ethnic melting pot is largely Pakistani, Indian, Jewish, Irish and English rather than, for instance, south London's potent Jamaican, Irish and Bangladeshi. I know about growing up in an environment that is not monoracial! And I know about being influenced by cultures which surround you. There is some fascinating fusion music going on in the capital and in other parts of the UK that feature diverse ethnic communities. I am a white girl who feels a massive cultural resonance with the Middle East, for fuck's sake - I'm not saying each racial/ethnic/religious group must each do their own thing. What I dislike is people like Adele whose music sounds like a formulaic regurgitation of an actually dynamic genre in order to make it more accessible for the middle-of-the-road, a process which divests it of most of its meaning and sensitivity, and that is what bothers me.
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Post by gushingblood on Jan 2, 2009 8:30:17 GMT -5
Me and my family were very dissaprooving of Adele.
You shouldn't be chewing gum when your being interviewed, get some fucking manners.
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 8:32:32 GMT -5
i don't think she's bland specifically to be more accessible for the middle of the road. i think she's bland because she's still just a kid and doesn't have a great deal of artistic vision of her own yet. she's got a nice enough voice, though, so i reckon there's a chance she'll come up with something decent now she's cut her teeth a bit.
and i'm not saying you're a racist! i just think that it's always a slippery area when you start talking about ethnicity in non-folk music.
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 8:33:37 GMT -5
Me and my family were very dissaprooving of Adele. You shouldn't be chewing gum when your being interviewed, get some fucking manners. whereas insulting strangers for what's at worst a faux pas isn't the least bit lacking in manners...  |
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Post by gushingblood on Jan 2, 2009 8:36:37 GMT -5
+I was being ironic
+Swearing isn't rude when I am sitting in front of my PC, she is on the most watched TV show on New Years Eve in front of some legendary performers, and is sat there nom mom momming on some chuddy. Gum wasn't appropriate for the occasion.
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 8:39:37 GMT -5
christ, whatever happened to rock and fucking roll, huh?
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Post by gushingblood on Jan 2, 2009 8:42:31 GMT -5
Our boys dressed in suits. Looking good for the fancy occasion.
Adele is chewing gum.
Some people just know how to act at events like that.
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 8:45:11 GMT -5
it's not like it's the royal variety performance or anything. our boys could have come on in plaid shirts eating sandwiches and you'd not have had a problem with it, but since it's a pop singer you don't like it's much easier to look for reasons to think she's a bad person. i don't accept this is a valid one. when you're on jools, how about you show her what for and don't chew gum?
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toastie
Sniffling Indie Kid
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Post by toastie on Jan 2, 2009 8:47:40 GMT -5
Well everyone looked and acted respectfully. Chewing and talking is just plain rude. If she was trying to be cool, it didn't work.
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 8:48:33 GMT -5
i really don't think she was trying to be cool. i think she probably thought that everyone else would have a sense of perspective like me and not give a shit.
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 8:53:18 GMT -5
Mike, you are probably right, in that I should exercise more care - my first remark was quite throwaway, and the resulting dialogue is a reminder that messageboards are not like having a chat with friends, even though it often feels like they are. There are probably only a couple of people here who I would count as knowing me *well*, and since there was no facial expression or tone of voice to contextualise what I said, I can see why you & James responded as you did. I think if we'd been chatting in person it would have been more obvious what I did & didn't mean, but I need to remember that online people won't respond to what I say in the same way! Also, it was lazy phrasing that could have done with further explanation in the first place, I suppose, so apologies if you both were offended.
As for Adele, she definitely hasn't found her own sound yet - so why does she have a record contract?! ugh. But that's a different discussion altogether. I think, sadly, she'll be washed up way before her voice actually reaches full maturity... Too many young women's voices get completely fucked up by using them inappropriately before they are mature. (Just think of Charlotte Church - she completely lost whatever chance she had of being a great singer. Though given her success she probably doesn't care too much...)
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Post by hoodrat on Jan 2, 2009 8:53:58 GMT -5
Bobby just looks HOT in a tux fixed. boy cleans up nice. |
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 9:00:33 GMT -5
On that note, has anyone noticed that Koob gets more and more handsome lately? He's a fine looking man. I do like men in black tie, though. Or suits in general. Good stuff.
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Jan 2, 2009 9:04:17 GMT -5
I'd like to apologise for my tone. I'm 36 hours fag-free and VERY irascible.
But coming back to the Stones - and irascibility and combativeness-free. The Stones' first three albums did not create a new form of music - they were pallid imitations of their R&B heroes - only when Andrew Oldham forced them to write their own songs did they move beyond that. Also, Mick Jagger's faux-black voice was not the result of growing up in a racially mixed area - like Adele - because he grow up in suburban Kent when it was completely white: he really was just copying to sound cool. And "appropriation" was the wrong word to use (that's when I started seeing nicotine-deprived red), because in the 60s and 70s, white bands continually caused offence to black artists because that's what they did - they appropriated without second thought, changing the writers' credits from (to take one example) Willie Dixon to Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham ... I kind of think that's a worse sin than a London teenager using the accent she hears around her every day.
Anyway, sorry again for flying off the handle. Course I don't think you're racist.
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Post by gushingblood on Jan 2, 2009 9:13:00 GMT -5
On that note, has anyone noticed that Koob gets more and more handsome lately? He's a fine looking man. I do like men in black tie, though. Or suits in general. Good stuff. It's the hair. |
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 9:19:07 GMT -5
Ha, James, we totally use appropriation in a different way. This is also a reminder to me to not take academic jargon into my everyday life and assume everyone uses it the same way! (Medievalists talk about genre appropriation quite a bit in terms of transmission and societal transgression, and it's generally seen as a positive thing - cultural appropriation and reinvention which creates literary dynamism.)
(Man, I need to stop being such a doooork.)
Congrats on 36 hours of no cigs! Hope you can keep going!!
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 9:19:51 GMT -5
hah, i think nicotine deprivation might have something to do with how antsy i've been today too! i just had my first cigarette of '09 and now feel much calmer. rachel, i still think we're friends!  your point about why adele even has a record contract is a valid one, but youth sells. record labels are always looking for young talent which they can form into what they want it to be before it gets a mind of its own. she DOES have a strong voice, and at her age that's really all that matters to the a&r types. |
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Jan 2, 2009 9:25:49 GMT -5
Ha, James, we totally use appropriation in a different way. This is also a reminder to me to not take academic jargon into my everyday life and assume everyone uses it the same way! ( It has a very different meaning, almost entirely negative, in racial politics ... Ah well. Happy new year. |
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 9:31:38 GMT -5
The English language is a slippery beast! Funnily enough in my thesis the word "appropriate" gets used in my introduction to make a point about the dynamic intellectual life of the emergent bourgeois classes... Now late medieval race relations, THOSE are curious indeed! (One of the "highlights" of which is a romance where Richard the Lionheart eats Saracens...) Mike, I still love you, obviously. Who else would communicate with me via Oklahoma lyrics? And James, happy new year to you too |
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 9:32:43 GMT -5
you missed out the exclamation mark.  |
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Post by theblondette on Jan 2, 2009 9:40:28 GMT -5
you missed out the exclamation mark. It's a scandal. It's an outrage. Just a wink and a kiss and you're through!  |
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 9:41:25 GMT -5
you missed out the exclamation mark. It's a scandal. It's an outrage. Just a wink and a kiss and you're through!  |
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Jan 2, 2009 9:43:12 GMT -5
You two ... Just hop in bed and be done with it!
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Post by mike on Jan 2, 2009 9:46:10 GMT -5
even though she clearly has an e-crush on me, rachel's already taken.
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