hurricanejoe
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Post by hurricanejoe on Jun 5, 2011 8:13:17 GMT -5
Who plays keys on the iTunes Live from SoHo release? The solo on Barely Breathing rips. Got nothing on the clarinet but it's still cool.
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Post by jpharis53 on Jun 6, 2011 10:25:46 GMT -5
The same guy who toured with them most of last year... That set was incredible to watch. The keys were turned up loud enough that we could hear it in the audience, and I have yet to listen to the recorded release, but I'm sure it shines well enough. It was a bit of redemption after kind of missing the keys the two times before.
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stringer
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Post by stringer on Jun 23, 2011 10:53:16 GMT -5
I think I was misunderstood. Never meant to say the songs were bad without keys, just trying to establish that one can't deny the extreme change in sound without the keys. Sorry dude, didn't mean to sound like I was having a go - just using your quote as a talking point. I totally agree that there is an extreme change, as you said. I guess all I was really saying is that I enjoyed Stevie nix sans-keys, but it will never, ever be the same.
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Post by delboydrums on Jun 23, 2011 16:28:12 GMT -5
Amen.
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esper
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Post by esper on Aug 23, 2011 0:03:32 GMT -5
bump anxious to hear who (if anyone) is playing keys at the show on the 24th...
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Post by thewolf on Aug 23, 2011 15:42:23 GMT -5
According to Finn's interview previewing LouFest in St. Louis, the band is strictly a fivepiece now.
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Post by truestorytravis on Aug 24, 2011 23:38:42 GMT -5
That's correct. No keys in Milwaukee. Great show though. Sequestered in memphis and a few others felt a little empty, but overall I didn't miss the keyboards. They also played a lot of material from separation sunday and stay positive that I hadn't heard live before; very nice!
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cory
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Post by cory on Aug 25, 2011 2:19:24 GMT -5
Missed the keyboards big time tonight. Real bummer, I don't know how you can really revert to being a guitars-only band.
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Post by nardling on Aug 26, 2011 10:00:01 GMT -5
I agree. The songs are just not the same without keys. There's this empty space in Stations where you're just waiting for the keys. There's no soaring organ in Stay Positive. It's just not the same.
I get that everyone has their own thing, and that people have individual personalities, but come on guys. Get Franz back. Do what you have to do. My gf and I had a chance to talk to Franz after his very very intimate show at Schuba's. There were maybe 30 people there. So he's not exactly packing the house, and the Hold Steady is the lesser for not having him. Franz belongs with the band. I paid 25 bucks for tickets last night. If someone at the door had said "Franz is out back and he'll play if everyone kicks in an extra 10 bucks" who in the crowd would have said no? Who on the board would say no?
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esper
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Post by esper on Aug 26, 2011 12:30:15 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm really disappointed to hear this
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Post by truestorytravis on Aug 27, 2011 0:43:51 GMT -5
I've seen them three times with keys (once with franz), but honestly don't think it affected their live show. On record it's different; the textures and melodies that franz brought were awesome. I can't say that i really missed the keys live.
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Aug 27, 2011 2:22:40 GMT -5
Get Franz back. Do what you have to do. Franz left, as I understand it, because his solo career came before the band. If he and the band want to do different things, why would either side wish to go back to the old ways?
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Post by delboydrums on Aug 27, 2011 6:10:58 GMT -5
Franz left. Get over it. Move on. Enjoy what you have.
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Post by Matt Jones on Aug 27, 2011 10:36:06 GMT -5
I'm fine with no keys, I just wish they'd fix up Stations a bit. Instead of keys, why don't Tad or Steve do a nice little Fingerpicking thing there. There just needs to be some kind of dynamic change.
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Post by thewolf on Aug 29, 2011 12:23:31 GMT -5
I was very skeptical about seeing them with no keyboards. I saw them with Franz about 3-4 times... Figured a lot of the songs would be lacking. Saw them the other night in St. Louis and they were great. I'm pretty much over this no keys business.
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Post by delboydrums on Aug 29, 2011 14:59:52 GMT -5
Hallelujah!
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elliptical
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Post by elliptical on Sept 11, 2011 16:25:12 GMT -5
I have to say, the DC show convinced me that they've got the whole two(-and-sometimes-three)-guitars-and-no-keys arrangements DOWN. I miss fn like no one's business, but they brought the ROCK.
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Post by Nightclub Dwight on Sept 21, 2011 1:18:02 GMT -5
I think I was misunderstood. Never meant to say the songs were bad without keys, just trying to establish that one can't deny the extreme change in sound without the keys. Also, from a musical point of view, and not to insult him, Tad Kubler is not the most daring of guys. He plays his genre and he plays it damn well, no mistaking there, but I can never really see him straying too far from the form of rock n' roll. Franz was there to throw the interestingly weird things into the mix. I mean, just look at any pictures of those guys fucking playing a show. While the rest of them are wearing flannel and jeans, Franz is wearing his vaudevillian suit get up (or cowboy, depends on the picture). Also, not saying that it was always Franz throwing in the weird stuff. I am not trying to say that Tad Kubler follows a rock and roll form and nothing else. Almost Killed Me definitely shows that's not true. There are so many great things that The Hold Steady would not be without Franz. BUT, I don't think Franz should come back. Regardless of whether or not he was forced out, he's pushing on with his solo stuff. His new record is absolutely fucking fantastic. I don't see the Hold Steady being the type of group he can just do shows with whenever he wants to like he did/still does with World/Inferno. tl;dr Franz was important, but he shouldn't come back. Stuff isn't bad without him, just completely different, except for "Just Saying." That song absolutely sucks. I only check in once or twice a year, maybe even less these days, so I'm a little late to this discussion. Commenting on some of the things I read earlier in the thread... * I'm very disappointed with the band without Franz. Its just not the same. I can't imagine a Certain Songs without him. * I think Franz had more input than a lot of people think on the albums they made while he was here. There are the song writing credits someone posted earlier, but even on songs he didn't get credit for, he injected a certain musicality and style that has gone lacking since he left. * Franz wasn't so much kicked out but rather he was given conditions that were unacceptable if he wanted to stay. * In my opinion he made the right choice to leave because his solo work is incredible. * I'm not sure if many people realize it, but Dan and Franz are good friends. I'm not sure how they arrived at Dan as Franz's replacement, but Franz was really happy that Dan got the job. * +1 to the tenth power for having Retro Electra play keys with the band. That would be awesome and probably the best possible solution. But I think Tourmaline would miss her. * In the end I know that nothing good ever lasts, so I'm happy that Franz left. I love his solo stuff. By the way, he's on tour now, everyone should catch his shows when he comes to your town! I know he'd love to see you.
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Post by gettinincredible on Sept 23, 2011 1:56:18 GMT -5
* Franz wasn't so much kicked out but rather he was given conditions that were unacceptable if he wanted to stay. Elaborate?
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Post by delboydrums on Sept 23, 2011 3:03:38 GMT -5
Do you ever wish you'd never brought a subject up in the first place?
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Sept 23, 2011 6:35:36 GMT -5
* Franz wasn't so much kicked out but rather he was given conditions that were unacceptable if he wanted to stay. Elaborate? As I understand it, the "unacceptable" conditions were that he be present for the recording of Heaven Is Whenever rather than tour his solo record.
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Post by motörben on Sept 23, 2011 6:52:00 GMT -5
As I understand it, the "unacceptable" conditions were that he be present for the recording of Heaven Is Whenever rather than tour his solo record. I haven't heard that. There are definitely at least two sides to the exact same story. Franz tells it as him not being allowed to spread his artistic wings, CF and TK tell it as the keyboard player wanting more control than they were willing to give him. Shrug. I like Franz's solo stuff and the last time I saw the keys-less Steady I was thrilled. Mum and dad have broken up and I have a great time at both their houses.
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Post by clarence5ybr on Sept 24, 2011 11:29:48 GMT -5
As I understand it, the "unacceptable" conditions were that he be present for the recording of Heaven Is Whenever rather than tour his solo record. I'm too lazy to search right now, but I'm pretty sure I remember an interview or two where it was mentioned that Franz had already put down the keyboard tracks for HiW before his exit from the band. Then, after Franz was out, those were deleted and Tad recorded new keyboard tracks.
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bigontheinside
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Post by bigontheinside on Sept 24, 2011 13:52:59 GMT -5
It was Dan that did the new keyboard parts if I remember correctly. But I doubt they did that because Franz had left; they were still recording most of the tracks, and trying out different tempos and keys and such.
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