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Post by rach on Feb 11, 2011 5:33:06 GMT -5
GPWM. They did play it the first time I saw them. Or, at least, that's what I remember. Is there an archive of setlists anywhere?
Oh god, yes.
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Post by wealdstone on Feb 11, 2011 8:37:03 GMT -5
Is there an archive of set lists anywhere? The wiki site has some holdsteady.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hold_SteadyOr you can scroll back through these pages, someone usually post a list from each show (except in Scotland)
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Post by hurricanejoe on Feb 12, 2011 16:05:52 GMT -5
I'm so sad that I never got to see them with Franz. Some of the songs were just crying out for his parts or his backing vocals. I think that, now that they have three guitarists, one of them should play the piano lines on certain songs (lol)
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Post by dabook on Feb 12, 2011 17:00:36 GMT -5
Its like having a family party and your crazy uncle doesnt show up. In the beginning you are looking for him, but midway through, you realize its still a pretty good family party.
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Feb 12, 2011 23:01:10 GMT -5
Its like having a family party and your crazy uncle doesnt show up. In the beginning you are looking for him, but midway through, you realize its still a pretty good family party. Perfect analogy. +1 internet to you.
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Post by delboydrums on Feb 13, 2011 6:35:43 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by whoaman on Feb 16, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -5
I don't see how you could have gone to those Music Hall of Williamsburg shows and NOT thought about the lack of keys. I mean, the loss of the whole Stuck Between Stations segue? No piano on Stevie Nix? You can say that they're still good songs without them, which they most definitely are, but you can't possibly say that there is a big part of the original version that is now quite noticeably missing
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Post by delboydrums on Feb 16, 2011 18:43:40 GMT -5
I can only comment on the show I was at (Bristol).
The sound was excellent and what Tad / Steve did with the "harmonic" (?) guitar solos in Stevie Nix really worked for me.
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Post by cubbies4e on Feb 19, 2011 6:24:41 GMT -5
GPWM. They did play it the first time I saw them. Or, at least, that's what I remember. Is there an archive of setlists anywhere? [b ][/b][/quote] Ask and you shall receive... www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUeDNb3J5qQ
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Post by rach on Feb 20, 2011 8:38:30 GMT -5
That;s absolutely beautiful. Thanks for posting that!
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Post by theweekender on Feb 23, 2011 23:56:30 GMT -5
It's different. Yeah, I miss the keys, but more than that I miss Franz's personality. This is kind of a nice change of pace as opposed to just trying to replace him with someone who has half his "mojo." I will say Stevie sounds kind of cool as does First Night. The transition to the bridge in Stations is a little weak, but the stop time once it gets going actually works for me.
I will say that the Almost Killed Me songs sound killer.
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Post by bown on Feb 24, 2011 6:27:02 GMT -5
I saw them in Birmingham at the start of the month, and the lack of keys is definitely noticeable, especially because Craig only really plays guitar for like four bars per song. But it was still an incredible gig, the keys would have just made it completely perfect.
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Post by Brian_NJ on Feb 25, 2011 9:18:50 GMT -5
That;s absolutely beautiful. Thanks for posting that! +1. that was great!
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Post by stringer on Mar 2, 2011 10:07:48 GMT -5
While I agree with this: I mean, the loss of the whole Stuck Between Stations segue? I do disagree ever so slightly with this: Now don't get me wrong, I missed the piano in Stevie. It makes me a little sad when I listen to it, I always feel like "aww, I miss Franz " (yep, complete with sad face). However, they played Stevie at Bristol and as soon as it started, Ami, Delboy and myself looked at each other almost frantically, whispering "what are they going to do?!" But the harmonised guitars were excellent. And as theweekender said, the transition in Stations felt a bit.. Well, a bit unsure, to be honest. It was almost as if they kind of went, "uhh.. just pause for a sec?" It was bizarre. Re: Franz' backing vocals - the man may not be there, the moustache certainly is not there, but those choruses will live on. I mean, even if (this is purely hypothetical) the band decided they would love to eradicate the big choruses, it's pretty much guaranteed that you, you, you, you and me would all sing them. We love it. I mean, the man said we're all the Hold Steady, and we really are. Those choruses and those backing vocals will live on in us. Who here can honestly say, and I'd genuinely be interested to know, that at a show, they wouldn't do the "whoah-oh"s and the "Wha-hooah-ohhhh"s?
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Post by delboydrums on Mar 3, 2011 16:46:17 GMT -5
Amen to what Stringer said - at Bristol, we all just went right ahead and sang BVs in all the Franz-appropriate places for them any way!
Least a few Scenesters could do, I think!
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Post by wackojacko on Mar 4, 2011 7:58:31 GMT -5
I agree but I wasn't a fan of the harmonics - the breakdown in stevie nix killed me every time with the keys and that was just ok.
That version of citrus is fantastic as well.
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Post by buddymo on Mar 7, 2011 10:30:33 GMT -5
So, I went to see Franz play last night in Macon, Georgia. There were about 40 people in the room, and Franz was legitimately surprised to see that many people there. I talked to him after the show, and I told him that THS shows just weren't the same without him on keys. His response was "Tell it to those guys." I didn't want to ask him about details, but it definitely sounded like he'd been forced out of THS and that he wouldn't mind playing with them again.
So, come on guys, work it out and make it happen!
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Post by davebudbainbo on Mar 9, 2011 10:48:55 GMT -5
Really surprised by this, given the way the split was characterized, at least publically, up to now. Certainly hope he wasn't forced out. If so, the other guys shot themselves in the foot. (Or in the 'stache.)
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Post by davebudbainbo on Mar 9, 2011 11:02:52 GMT -5
In the Hall of Williamsburg show, I thought "Stevie" and "Stuck" were fine -- where I really noticed the lack of keys was "Constructive Summer" and "Massive Nights". The changes on the first two I mentioned are: "Okay, cool, that flies, I can groove to that, it's interesting." But the latter two just fall flat without that extra bit of character, that extra touch of life and joy and emotion.
Keys can simply say things guitars can't and vice-versa. And Franz has a poetry with the keys lacking in most other keyboardists. And that's aside from his stage presence. In the final tally, his absence from the band can't be scored as anything but a loss.
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Post by nosferatu on Mar 18, 2011 14:04:52 GMT -5
So, I went to see Franz play last night in Macon, Georgia. There were about 40 people in the room, and Franz was legitimately surprised to see that many people there. I talked to him after the show, and I told him that THS shows just weren't the same without him on keys. His response was "Tell it to those guys." I didn't want to ask him about details, but it definitely sounded like he'd been forced out of THS and that he wouldn't mind playing with them again. So, come on guys, work it out and make it happen! This is how he described it during the conversation I had with him as well.
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Post by wildbill on Mar 18, 2011 14:31:25 GMT -5
The gentleman who was kind enough to point me to the tape archives led me to a 1/2011 show without keys where all the above songs were played. SBS definitely missed the keys, as did others; on the other hand some of the all-guitar riffs sounded different, and good. In balance, I would prefer a keyboard player, someone who can hash it out with the guitars. I think/hope the sound is better. The last show I saw in Boston 2010 had awful sound, and it was so loud I lost most of my hearing for 2 days (I'm the old guy...at 53 I've already lost ENOUGH hearing...) and that was pretty scary; also the sound took away from the show; I want to be up front, and I want it loud, but I don't want to be deaf!
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Post by thurman on Mar 19, 2011 8:52:33 GMT -5
The gentleman who was kind enough to point me to the tape archives led me to a 1/2011 show without keys where all the above songs were played. SBS definitely missed the keys, as did others; on the other hand some of the all-guitar riffs sounded different, and good. In balance, I would prefer a keyboard player, someone who can hash it out with the guitars. I think/hope the sound is better. The last show I saw in Boston 2010 had awful sound, and it was so loud I lost most of my hearing for 2 days (I'm the old guy...at 53 I've already lost ENOUGH hearing...) and that was pretty scary; also the sound took away from the show; I want to be up front, and I want it loud, but I don't want to be deaf! I agree with everything, even the age (I'm 54) and loss of hearing. My bad experience was Portland, 2010. Sound was so loud and muddled, nothing could be understood. I am hoping by Terminal 5 they have the sound worked out so it is like I remember it. I have been to almost 30 shows and am disappointed how the sound has deteriorated. I like to hear the lyrics.
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Post by wildbill on Mar 19, 2011 9:36:28 GMT -5
Damn, dude, you mean I'm not the only geezer that likes this band?
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Post by whoaman on Mar 20, 2011 13:06:56 GMT -5
I think I was misunderstood. Never meant to say the songs were bad without keys, just trying to establish that one can't deny the extreme change in sound without the keys. Also, from a musical point of view, and not to insult him, Tad Kubler is not the most daring of guys. He plays his genre and he plays it damn well, no mistaking there, but I can never really see him straying too far from the form of rock n' roll. Franz was there to throw the interestingly weird things into the mix. I mean, just look at any pictures of those guys fucking playing a show. While the rest of them are wearing flannel and jeans, Franz is wearing his vaudevillian suit get up (or cowboy, depends on the picture).
Also, not saying that it was always Franz throwing in the weird stuff. I am not trying to say that Tad Kubler follows a rock and roll form and nothing else. Almost Killed Me definitely shows that's not true. There are so many great things that The Hold Steady would not be without Franz.
BUT, I don't think Franz should come back. Regardless of whether or not he was forced out, he's pushing on with his solo stuff. His new record is absolutely fucking fantastic. I don't see the Hold Steady being the type of group he can just do shows with whenever he wants to like he did/still does with World/Inferno.
tl;dr Franz was important, but he shouldn't come back. Stuff isn't bad without him, just completely different, except for "Just Saying." That song absolutely sucks.
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Post by TKalltheTime on Apr 9, 2011 2:40:16 GMT -5
GPWM. They did play it the first time I saw them. Or, at least, that's what I remember. Is there an archive of setlists anywhere? [b ][/b][/quote] Ask and you shall receive... www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUeDNb3J5qQ[/quote]The song just sounds way to messy and noisy with the dual acoustic guitars... really didn't enjoy that version at all. Way too cluttered for that type of song.
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