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Post by highonsound on Feb 19, 2009 13:36:27 GMT -5
I don't really care that they're opening for DMB - not my cup of tea - but good for them, ya know?
The only sad part about it for me is this means Bonnaroo is pretty much out. I was really looking forward to having them back this year.
I think you people complaining need to step back and think about what kind of venom you're spitting at a band you supposedly love so much.
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Post by meoskop on Feb 19, 2009 13:41:46 GMT -5
Mods overriding mods gets me more bent than people I don't wanna hang with getting to hear good music, but in the interest of elevation -
We all have musical skeletons in our closet. Let's look at this as a chance to offer the hack sack crowd a Better Way, and bipartisan outreach of musical quality to help them, not hurt us.
Hey, when I was five, I thought the Osmonds were IT, man, I had all the 45's.
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Post by kim on Feb 19, 2009 14:13:47 GMT -5
I still own all four studio albums by Nsync. And I ain't givin' them up. Ever.
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Post by john k on Feb 19, 2009 14:22:43 GMT -5
I still own all four studio albums by Nsync. And I ain't givin' them up. Ever. how much do you want ?
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Post by 212margarita on Feb 19, 2009 14:23:53 GMT -5
I still own all four studio albums by Nsync. And I ain't givin' them up. Ever. thats it Nsync reunion, THS opens ;D. Also there were four nsync albums?
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Post by Elwoodii on Feb 19, 2009 14:24:15 GMT -5
When people feel personally and emotionally invested in a band I find it hard to understand. I've never really been fanatical about any band, The Hold Steady included. I would't want from them anything more than they would willingly give. What right would I or anyone else have to ask? CD's and gigs is all I expect from a band.
I think this about all bands, Bob Dylan wrote some of the best songs of last century, in my opinion. But I have no more reason to ask him a question than I do to ask a random person in the street a question. I have no reason to expect anything other than CD's and gigs from him (well? a follow up to chronicles woud be nice). That is after all what these people sell for a living. I dont ask the girl at the supermarket for advice on nutrition, and I dont ask The Hold Steady to reinforce my moral ethics.
As far as I'm concerned they can tour with who they like, make the music they like, sell all the hold steady bottle openers and beer mits they like, hell they can even take my best friend and show him the world if they like (as much as I might miss him when he's gone). But the best thing they gave us, and it's something you dont expect to get from most bands, is a unified scene and a sense of community at shows, that I for one have never witnessed before. I can't wait till they hit town again so we can bro down, beer up and wake up wondering weather or not we really did sing 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' in a Chinese karaoke bar.
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Post by 212margarita on Feb 19, 2009 14:26:16 GMT -5
When people feel personally and emotionally invested in a band I find it hard to understand. I've never really been fanatical about any band, The Hold Steady included. I would't want from them anything more than they would willingly give. What right would I or anyone else have to ask? CD's and gigs is all I expect from a band. I think this about all bands, Bob Dylan wrote some of the best songs of last century, in my opinion. But I have no more reason to ask him a question than I do to ask a random person in the street a question. I have no reason to expect anything other than CD's and gigs from him (well? a follow up to chronicles woud be nice). That is after all what these people sell for a living. I dont ask the girl at the supermarket for advice on nutrition, and I dont ask The Hold Steady to reinforce my moral ethics. As far as I'm concerned they can tour with who they like, make the music they like, sell all the hold steady bottle openers and beer mits they like, hell they can even take my best friend and show him the world if they like (as much as I might miss him when he's gone). But the best thing they gave us, and it's something you dont expect to get from most bands, is a unified scene and a sense of community at shows, that I for one have never witnessed before. I can't wait till they hit town again so we can bro down, beer up and wake up wondering weather or not we really did sing 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' in a Chinese karaoke bar. very well put
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Post by kim on Feb 19, 2009 14:26:47 GMT -5
I still own all four studio albums by Nsync. And I ain't givin' them up. Ever. thats it Nsync reunion, THS opens ;D. Also there were four nsync albums? Oh my god, if that happens my excitement might outdo LilHan. Like, whoa. As for your question, the self title, Home For Christmas, No Strings Attached and Celebrity.
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Post by stevedave on Feb 19, 2009 14:30:57 GMT -5
OK so DMB is Dave Matthew's Band... I'm still none the wiser. Who is Dave Matthew's and why do people hate his band so much? And He's on the bill for Hyde Park with Bruce and Gaslight so does that mean THS are coming back to the Park?
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Post by muzzleofbees on Feb 19, 2009 15:33:26 GMT -5
I really don't care what kind of opening gigs they do. If it makes people associate the band with rather boring acts like Counting Crows or Dave Matthews Band, it's fine by me. I still know they're the best band in the world.
But I am very sad to see not only more US gigs, but goddamn opening gigs when Europe are hungering for Hold Steady at the clubs. When the fall tour was cancelled, I assumed it would be replaced with a spring tour. That do not seem very likely know.
So, please, give Europe something. US and UK gets all the fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 17:43:35 GMT -5
and Australia! THS managed to turn one of the most apathatic rock cities - a city that literally ignored Winnebago Deal playing in a tiny pub - into a storm of insanity
but seriously at the bromance at the DMB/THS gigs will be off the charts
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Post by profpicklez on Feb 19, 2009 18:01:35 GMT -5
If any of you out there think that THS won't be melting the faces off the crowds at these CC & DMB shows, me and Koob got one thing to say to you....... EAT IT!!!
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Post by wealdstone on Feb 19, 2009 18:15:49 GMT -5
What's happened to Dustin?
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Post by lee on Feb 19, 2009 18:20:43 GMT -5
i've been there. my punk rock education makes me sympathetic to this sort of discomfort. i feel it a bit, too. i got upset when green day opened for blink 182 that one tour. i didn't go. later, against me! opened for green day at giant's stadium, and there was a similar uproar. whatever. i don't know what it's like to be a touring band. i do know that it might be nice to get invited on a large tour where most annoying, procedural aspects are taken care of by someone else. yes, you pay for this in other ways.
meanwhile--just because you go to a show where a bad you love or feel some kind of possession over is opening for one (or more) you can't stand doesn't mean that you have to suddenly love that other band. presence does not necessarily mean condoning. i went to that tour with no doubt, garbage, and the distillers opening. i left right after the distillers, and didn't feel bad or superior about it, i just didn't want to see those other bands, and it was worth it to me to pay to see the distillers. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE ELSE.
plus, it's not like there weren't at least a few more "frat-boy"-ish drunken assholes at the past couple of hold steady shows than i liked. it's not like it's some pure thing, except maybe in some of our minds, which is where it really matters, anyway. certainly i would prefer that this doesn't happen, but i don't take it personally. i'm more interested in doing things i enjoy and living to fight another day than self-denial over some abstract ethical thing. it's up to each of us to make these choices, i suppose. i think it's perfectly reasonable to make them on a case-by-case basis, though.
take this free jack daniel's show in portland on 3/16, right? i have serious issues with alcohol and its detrimental effects on people (family history and so forth). i'm close to straight-edge, i suppose, without trying to tell other people what to do. it's right for me, and i think that maybe it might be good for a lot of people to at least question the presence and dominance of alcohol in their lives. obviously, this jack daniel's-sponsored show is not going to be that kind of environment--do i stay home, then? do i punish myself by not seeing a favorite band because of that, and roll around in the warm bathwater of my ethical objection and superiority?
i am not a separatist.
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Post by Phils_fan on Feb 19, 2009 18:38:29 GMT -5
WTF, you tool, you took a job at a drug company?- CHECK taking the kids to disneyland, douche? YES SIR earplugs, granny? UH-HUH hey ass, you're a stinking fuckface drunk who should get therapy - PROBABLY what the fuck you doing spending your last dollars on chicken and waffles? OOPS- DID THAT TOO. That Phils_Fan is a smart dad -OK, HERE'S WHERE YOU LOST ME.
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Post by nosferatu on Feb 19, 2009 18:51:18 GMT -5
and Australia! THS managed to turn one of the most apathatic rock cities - a city that literally ignored Winnebago Deal playing in a tiny pub - into a storm of insanity but seriously at the bromance at the DMB/THS gigs will be off the charts I bought Winnebago Deal's album I think. They opened for Ash over here and they fucking ruled. If any of you out there think that THS won't be melting the faces off the crowds at these CC & DMB shows, me and Koob got one thing to say to you....... EAT IT!!! amen, that's what it's all about.
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Post by hoodrat on Feb 19, 2009 19:33:54 GMT -5
If any of you out there think that THS won't be melting the faces off the crowds at these CC & DMB shows, me and Koob got one thing to say to you....... EAT IT!!! EDITED
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Post by mhetrick14 on Feb 19, 2009 20:49:48 GMT -5
dmb hasn't made a good decision since 1998. canned some of their best work in 2000 and it's been downhill (and WAY downhill i might add) since then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 20:56:46 GMT -5
Mercury Rev are opening for Coldplay Jenny Lewis are opening for Snow Patrol who cares?
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Post by biblesalesman on Feb 19, 2009 21:20:41 GMT -5
I am making a playlist of DMB, Counting Crows and THS and I am gonnalisten to that fucker whilst drifting off tonight after smoking a huge hunk of hash out of pipe made from an apple. yeah, fucking- right thats what i'm doing.
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Post by matty on Feb 19, 2009 21:23:40 GMT -5
Initially I was annoyed about the whole thing, but the more I thought about it, the less it bothered me.
1. DMB fans are going to get one hell of an opener. How many times have you been to a show and hated the opening act? Not happening here.
2. The people that do like THS at these shows are going to be the music fans, not the meatheads for the most part. Why not welcome them with open arms?
3. My boss is a huge DMB fan. Before today, never would have thought she'd like the Hold Steady. Let her listen to Stay Positive at work today, she texted me to say she's buying it tonight.
I know this is my first post, just figured I'd spend it in support of the scene. It's a good thing if things get bigger, as long as everybody stays respectful. (bet you thought i was going to say positive. not that cheesy.)
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Post by laurenjean on Feb 20, 2009 0:28:26 GMT -5
Wow. The Hold Steady doesn't have to ask our permission to tour. We don't have approval of who they open for. If you feel that strongly, don't go to the show. I've never really listened to DMB or seen them play, but even if they are beloved by frat boys, so what? Frat boys need music too. They might even need it more than the rest of us. I love Atmosphere. I see them every tour for at least one of the First Ave shows. Over the years the crowds have gotten younger, more affluent, and more suburban. I'm not always comfortable with that, but why should that stop me from enjoying my favorite local band done good? When I'm irritated by the young kids around me, I remember I was one of those kids and I lived for all ages shows.
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Post by jtd7 on Feb 20, 2009 0:38:18 GMT -5
I find it completely bizarre that so many people are taking this PERSONALLY. Like THS have decided to support a band you think are bland just to annoy YOU. Well, sunshine, that ain't the truth. Maybe we should be admiring of the work ethic that keeps the boys touring ALL THE DAMN TIME, or glad that they're presumably making some decent money off this. Maybe it won't be the THS tour of your dreams, but hey, didn't a lot of you guys just get that with the Drive-by Truckers? Is this going to affect the music that THS produce? Probably not. Is this going to have any long term impact? Probably not, unless it gets some DMB fans to buy a couple of cds, and who knows - maybe show up on this board! What a shitty thread for them to arrive to. Thank you blondette! On top of the great songs and the community they have nucleated, another thing I love about The Hold Steady is that they work so hard, they play so many shows, they tour so often -- and that's just as The Hold Steady, Franz's other projects alone could keep several people busy. To me, it gives them so much integrity when Craig sings about Nelson Algren. This thread is so similar to one that exploded on the NOLA JazzFest boards a week or two ago, when the Fest announced that a TBA headliner last day would be . . . Bon Jovi. Hundreds of performers over two weekends, eleven stages at once all day, and all of a sudden this one act spoiled the Fest for some people. Put it in context tho: the BNAs at JazzFest are usually NOT New Orleans / jazz / zydeco / roots performers. And Bon Jovi stepped up to raise money to rebuild NOLA after Katrina. And if you don't care to hear them, prolly somebody else great will be playing on another stage. BTW, couple years ago Dave Matthews Band headlined at Jazz Fest. JazzFest survived.
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Post by dissident on Feb 20, 2009 0:49:30 GMT -5
since when did the fanbase a band attracts have anything to do with the music said band produces? they have for 15+ years been the premier touring act all across the globe, and have included some of the best musicians at their respective musicians that are living. sure they attract the frat bro douchebags, but they are still the one of, if not THE tightest band around. carter beauford alone is the best lving drummer around, he's a mindblowing machine that can do anything and read anyone.
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Post by dissident on Feb 20, 2009 0:53:22 GMT -5
also, dave has always been instrumental in attracting new fans to emerging great underground artists from robert randolph to bela fleck.
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