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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2010 19:06:26 GMT -5
er this is a thread for annotating Heaven is Whenever
because I feel dumb when i listen to We Can Get Together and i don't get most of what they're singing about
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Post by bigrob on Apr 19, 2010 19:52:19 GMT -5
WCGT
- She played "Heaven isn't Happening" <--- I have no clue.
- She played "Heaven is a Truck" <--- A Pavement song
- She said Heavenly was cool, I think they were from Oxford <--- Heavenly was a poppy band in the 90s from Oxford. Also, something something twee.
- I only had one single, it was a song about a pure and simple love <--- Heavenly's 7" single, "Our Love is Heavenly"
- There's a girl on Heaven Hill, <--- Husker Du song "Girl Who Lives On Heaven Hill"
- I come up to her cabin still, <--- paraphrased lyrics from ^
- She said Husker Du got huge <---duh
- They started in St. Paul <--- They did.
- Do you remember "Makes no Sense at All"? <--- A Husker Du song. ***
- And Heaven is the whole of the heart <--- Lyrics from the Psychedelic Furs song "Heaven". They sang "Pretty in Pink"
- And paradise is by the dashboard light <-- Meat Loaf; Paradise By The Dashboard Light. Certain Songs, you know?
- Utopia's a band, they sang "Love Is The Answer," <--- prog rock band in the 70s and 80s. And they probably are right.
He wasn't just the drummer, he was the singer's little brother <--- In Heavenly, the drummer, Mathew Fletcher, was the brother of the singer Amelia
*** When I first heard this, I thought of it as "'Do you remember' makes no sense at all", because Husker Du means "Do you remember", which may or may not be in this lyric intentionally. Most likely it is, because Craig is the shit.
If I got anything wrong, or didn't give sufficient details, I'm sure someone who really knows what they are talking about will help out.
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 19, 2010 19:53:39 GMT -5
*** When I first heard this, I thought of it as "'Do you remember' makes no sense at all", because Husker Du means "Do you remember", which may or may not be in this lyric intentionally. Most likely it is, because Craig is the shit holy shit, i didnt even think of that incredible |
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Post by bigrob on Apr 19, 2010 20:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by ezimm7 on Apr 19, 2010 20:51:16 GMT -5
Remind me what the band was whose drummer (the singer's little brother) killed himself?
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Post by mick on Apr 19, 2010 21:11:28 GMT -5
Remind me what the band was whose drummer (the singer's little brother) killed himself? I'm pretty sure it's a reference to the band Heavenly. They broke up after the drummer committed suicide and he was also the singer's little brother. |
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Post by somuchjoy on Apr 20, 2010 15:41:31 GMT -5
I'm kinda hoping "Heaven Isn't Happening" is "It's Not Happening" by the Ass Ponys. Right genre and time period and closes with "We all want to get to heaven/But we don't want to die." I'm also hoping someone can figure out what I think is a heaven reference from the late 80s-early 90s period in the use of the choirish backing oohs and keys at the end -- i was thinking Heaven 17, but its more twee like icicle works.
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Post by bigrob on Apr 20, 2010 17:07:26 GMT -5
I'm kinda hoping "Heaven Isn't Happening" is "It's Not Happening" by the Ass Ponys. Right genre and time period and closes with "We all want to get to heaven/But we don't want to die." I'm also hoping someone can figure out what I think is a heaven reference from the late 80s-early 90s period in the use of the choirish backing oohs and keys at the end -- i was thinking Heaven 17, but its more twee like icicle works. Ass Ponys makes sense. |
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Apr 20, 2010 20:57:59 GMT -5
Added a bunch of your refs to the wiki. Wouldn't want them getting lost now.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 22, 2010 4:30:46 GMT -5
*** When I first heard this, I thought of it as "'Do you remember' makes no sense at all", because Husker Du means "Do you remember", which may or may not be in this lyric intentionally. Most likely it is, because Craig is the shit holy shit, i didnt even think of that incredible Haha, me neither. And I'm from Norway (where the words 'husker' and 'du' is used several times in an hour). |
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Post by hoodrat on Apr 22, 2010 4:51:49 GMT -5
cripes i love you people. this is going to save me a lot of googling. it is not going to help me avoid the inevitable follow-up crate-digging. but very cool.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 22, 2010 4:58:47 GMT -5
It makes perfectly sense that the "younger brother" is related to Heavenly.
But I still can't help thinking about "the second drummer drowned" line from Cut Your Hair, from the same album as Heaven Is A Truck.
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Post by bacon on Apr 22, 2010 12:20:05 GMT -5
In one of the songs--Our Whole Lives, I think--he says "rattle my bones," which I would like to think is a shout-out to a great Minneapolis band of the 80s called The Suburbs (who had a song called Rattle My Bones). It may be wishful thinking, but maybe not.
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Post by Camie on Apr 22, 2010 12:42:20 GMT -5
cripes i love you people. this is going to save me a lot of googling. it is not going to help me avoid the inevitable follow-up crate-digging. but very cool. The follow-up crate digging is half the fun! (My town record store guy - only carries the older stuff (so not where I went for RSD) - When I go crate digging he just laughs. I am like the only girl who enters the store.) |
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Post by complicatedthings on Apr 22, 2010 15:19:06 GMT -5
Guys, I made a Grooveshark playlist of all the references we've nailed up to this point. I tried to place the songs in the order in which CF alludes to them in WCGT. I know links have been posted to blip but I'm doing this for the Playlist Project so I thought I'd post it for you all as well. listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/We+Can+Get+Together/28032648What's killing me is whether or not the opening line "She played heaven isn't happening" is a reference? Anyone know? I've heard several ideas tossed out but no one seems sure... |
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Post by bigrob on Apr 22, 2010 16:12:37 GMT -5
A few more that I was thinking of, but not close to all of them, and I'm not even touching the old THS songs references. Sweet Part "It's a long way from Cedar-Riverside to Cedars-Sinai." - Cedar-Riverside is a neighborhood in MPLS, and Cedar Sinai is a hospital in LA. Rock Problems"Back home we were listening to 'Catholic Boy', and I got hung up on the 'People Who Died'" - Catholic Boy was an album released by The Jim Carroll Band in 1980. "People Who Died" was a single on that album. Craig mentions Carroll as an influence in the "Odds against 7even" interview. "When someone put on 'Heaven Tonight'" - Cheap Trick's third album, released in '78 "Had a moment in the middle of 'In Color (And In Black And White)' - Cheap Trick's second album, released in '77 "Sing along to the 'Southern Girls'" - The 3rd song on side 2 of "In Color" Barely Breathing"To be 'Out on the Tiles' and barely breathing" - "Out on the Tiles" is a Led Zeppelin song off of "III", but the phrase itself is British in origin, and means to be out on the town. "Saw the Youth Of Today at the 7th Street Entry" - Youth of Today was a hardcore punk band. 7th Street Entry is a venue in Minneapolis, housed in the same building as First Ave. "Same club next summer, and now they're called Shelter" - Ray Cappo, the singer from Youth of Today, started a new band called Shelter once YoT broke up. "And he tried to hand me a pamphlet about Hare Krishna" - Shelter was a Hare Krishna band. Hare Krishna is a Hindu mantra that is used to seek transcendence and a higher consciousness (to my knowledge). "Who the hell is the blue guy?" -It's Krishna.  |
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Post by Sunny D on Apr 22, 2010 16:33:45 GMT -5
Rock Problems"Back home we were listening to 'Catholic Boy', and I got hung up on the 'People Who Died'" - Catholic Boy was an album released by The Jim Carroll Band in 1980. "People Who Died" was a single on that album. Craig has mentioned Carroll in an interview before, but I can't remember which. DBT covered "People Who Died" along with Craig on the Rock & Roll Means Well tour. |
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Post by bigrob on Apr 22, 2010 17:22:30 GMT -5
Rock Problems"Back home we were listening to 'Catholic Boy', and I got hung up on the 'People Who Died'" - Catholic Boy was an album released by The Jim Carroll Band in 1980. "People Who Died" was a single on that album. Craig has mentioned Carroll in an interview before, but I can't remember which. DBT covered "People Who Died" along with Craig on the Rock & Roll Means Well tour. God damn, why did I miss that tour!? |
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 22, 2010 18:01:12 GMT -5
in "the smidge": "at first it felt like faith, then it felt just like the void" is a reference to the best hardcore split ever
i just realized this today and started freaking out in the car
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Post by missalabamanobody on Apr 22, 2010 18:30:52 GMT -5
Rock Problems"Back home we were listening to 'Catholic Boy', and I got hung up on the 'People Who Died'" - Catholic Boy was an album released by The Jim Carroll Band in 1980. "People Who Died" was a single on that album. Craig has mentioned Carroll in an interview before, but I can't remember which. DBT covered "People Who Died" along with Craig on the Rock & Roll Means Well tour. They cover it frequently. But not with Craig. |
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Post by somuchjoy on Apr 22, 2010 18:39:40 GMT -5
You know why I fucking LOVE CF?
Check this. If Holly was born in '77, the year of Bat Out of Hell and In Color (both name-dropped on HIW, and probably the greatest year in rock, as catalogued on SP), she'd have been 17 in '94 (Crooked Rain, at least) and 33 in 2010 (when she died?). Which is why the eulogy on WCGT has early 90's references-- its everything a 17 yo girl could and would be spinning in 1994. And CF is remembering the innocent bed-room door closed girl before she went down to the camps and fell. First Night, anyone? What other '93-'94 references are on this album? Music, film, books?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 18:40:23 GMT -5
in "the smidge": "at first it felt like faith, then it felt just like the void" is a reference to the best hardcore split ever i just realized this today and started freaking out in the car which one? i feel bad for not recognizing any of these references i'm kinda convinced 'the theme of the party is the Industrial age' is about a steampunk party, but that does seem a bit too geeky |
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 22, 2010 18:43:03 GMT -5
the faith/void split
2 really great early hardcore bands from DC
the split LP is absolutely worth owning
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 20:03:29 GMT -5
thanks!
Barely Breathing is a Duncan Sheik song
is the 'Ring ring goes the telephone' a Lady Gaga ref?
'the struggle still feels Wonderful Tonight' - Eric Clapton
dunno if the scensters = vampires thing comes from the Arctic Monkeys 'All You People Are Vampires' or if it's just an old thing (like Warhol's Dracula association)
metro guys = Metrosexuals. guys who primp and moisturize and stuff. haven't heard the phrase in a bit
'you might feel a slight discomfort' seems to echo 'you might feel a little pinprick' in Pink Floyd's Comfortably Numb
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Post by mcstevepants on Apr 22, 2010 20:07:16 GMT -5
^
haha, I doubt it.
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