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Post by beencaughtstealin on Dec 17, 2008 16:40:43 GMT -5
uh, yeah if this is the only smiths song you've ever heard... Oh it is on. However, your having the good sense to choose Big Dumb Sex mitigates the offense. I got my Moz card at point of origin, and while I can't slam anything by the Smiths (there is no You Know My Name level of WTF'ery with them) I will maintain that HSIN sums them up much better than TIALTNGO. The object of his affections is unaware, yes, that's required Smith's reading, but HSIN takes it to the core level of the band - I'm alone, I don't want to be, but I have some bitching guitar work to keep me company while I mope and by the way, I really do want to be alone with my self inflicted problems no matter what mixed message I send you, kthxbai. Entry level indeed. Pfft. Entry level might be Half A Person. Not a bad song, but mannered live or studio. Nothing transcendent. The Magic Numbers didn't feel confident enough to tackle HSIN, did they? Oh, but they felt TIALTNGO was within their reach..... i wasn't trying to offend, just having some fun. apologies. i'm not arguing HSIN as a great song; i've always enjoyed it, and it may very well be a better overall representation of the smiths than TIALTNGO. i was simply saying that HSIN might be the "obligatory" favorite song for someone who's never heard anything else by the band(as that song is pretty mainstream-accessible, on several 80's comps and such), or for someone like my dad, who doesn't like the smiths, but loves HSIN just because it's featured in the wedding singer. HSIN may just be played-out for me, the same way i usually skip "just like heaven" when i'm listening to the cure's kiss me kiss me kiss me, or why i rarely bother listening to "folsom prison blues", "i walk the line" or "ring of fire" anymore. they're all still great songs, but i've heard them all to death. when you're in a bar or club, and the college kids hit the jukebox, those are the songs you hear(again, not trying to offend if there are college students reading; this is just a fact, at least anywhere i've ever lived). TIALTNGO is the pick for me because my wife walked down to the aisle to it at our wedding, so it'll always have that special association. also because i believe it to be one of the most morbidly beautiful love songs ever. also, i don't think we could argue this by other bands choosing which song to cover, as i've heard a few VERY bad covers of HSIN, one by a pseudo goth-metal band my old roomate used to listen to called snake river conspiracy(awful, just awful), and i believe the other was done by that girl duo TATU from a few years ago.
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Post by 212margarita on Dec 17, 2008 16:49:47 GMT -5
Oh it is on. However, your having the good sense to choose Big Dumb Sex mitigates the offense. I got my Moz card at point of origin, and while I can't slam anything by the Smiths (there is no You Know My Name level of WTF'ery with them) I will maintain that HSIN sums them up much better than TIALTNGO. The object of his affections is unaware, yes, that's required Smith's reading, but HSIN takes it to the core level of the band - I'm alone, I don't want to be, but I have some bitching guitar work to keep me company while I mope and by the way, I really do want to be alone with my self inflicted problems no matter what mixed message I send you, kthxbai. Entry level indeed. Pfft. Entry level might be Half A Person. Not a bad song, but mannered live or studio. Nothing transcendent. The Magic Numbers didn't feel confident enough to tackle HSIN, did they? Oh, but they felt TIALTNGO was within their reach..... i wasn't trying to offend, just having some fun. apologies. i'm not arguing HSIN as a great song; i've always enjoyed it, and it may very well be a better overall representation of the smiths than TIALTNGO. i was simply saying that HSIN might be the "obligatory" favorite song for someone who's never heard anything else by the band(as that song is pretty mainstream-accessible, on several 80's comps and such), or for someone like my dad, who doesn't like the smiths, but loves HSIN just because it's featured in the wedding singer. HSIN may just be played-out for me, the same way i usually skip "just like heaven" when i'm listening to the cure's kiss me kiss me kiss me, or why i rarely bother listening to "folsom prison blues", "i walk the line" or "ring of fire" anymore. they're all still great songs, but i've heard them all to death. when you're in a bar or club, and the college kids hit the jukebox, those are the songs you hear(again, not trying to offend if there are college students reading; this is just a fact, at least anywhere i've ever lived). TIALTNGO is the pick for me because my wife walked down to the aisle to it at our wedding, so it'll always have that special association. also because i believe it to be one of the most morbidly beautiful love songs ever. also, i don't think we could argue this by other bands choosing which song to cover, as i've heard a few VERY bad covers of HSIN, one by a pseudo goth-metal band my old roomate used to listen to called snake river conspiracy(awful, just awful), and i believe the other was done by that girl duo TATU from a few years ago. The Sanke River Conspiracy opened for a perfect circle when i saw them in 2001, they played their cover HSIN and you are correct. it was awful.
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Post by mitch71 on Dec 17, 2008 18:03:54 GMT -5
The Beatles – You Never Give Me Your Money The Rolling Stones – Wild Horses The Who – I Can’t Explain The Kinks – A Well Respected Man The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Child (Slight Return) David Bowie – Rebel, Rebel Elvis Costello – Not a huge fan. Elvis Presley – Overrated Beach Boys – I Get Around Drive By Truckers – Never Gonna Change Modest Mouse – Don’t know that well. Mountain Goats – Dido Pixies – eh Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here Nirvana – In Bloom R.E.M. – Bad Day The Smiths – eh Muse – Hysteria The Replacements – Don’t know that well. Smashing Pumpkins – Hummer or In the Arms of Sleep Bob Dylan – The Man In Me Johnny Cash – A Boy Named Sue Black Sabbath – War Pigs Soundgarden – The Day I Tried To Live The Clash – Train In Vain The Ramones – KKK Took My Baby Away The Stooges – eh Beastie Boys – Skills to Pay the Bills Bruce Springsteen – Nothing Man THS – today it’s Hot Soft Light
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Post by mike on Dec 18, 2008 11:34:43 GMT -5
i have been digging the Mae Shi album all morning. It is chaotic and wonderful. which album? i freaking love those guys. i tried to mack them on the old board with little response. The Beatles - a day in the life The Rolling Stones - get off of my cloud The Who - teenage wasteland The Kinks - waterloo sunset The Jimi Hendrix Experience - fire David Bowie - rock'n'roll suicide Elvis Costello - lipstick vogue Elvis Presley - always on my mind Beach Boys - god only knows Modest Mouse - other people's lives Mountain Goats - new chevrolet in flames Pixies - letter to memphis Pink Floyd - have a cigar Nirvana - dive R.E.M. - radio free europe The Smiths - what difference does it make Muse - muscle museum Smashing Pumpkins - today Bob Dylan - like a rolling stone Johnny Cash - orange blossom special Black Sabbath - paranoid Soundgarden - rusty cage The Clash - lost in the supermarket (unless i'm allowed their cover of 'pressure drop') The Ramones - blitzkrieg bop The Stooges - i need somebody Beastie Boys - sabotage The Hold Steady - sweet payne
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Post by 212margarita on Dec 18, 2008 11:49:25 GMT -5
i got HILLYH the other day, that is the only one i know about...its amazing
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Post by mike on Dec 18, 2008 11:52:23 GMT -5
yeah, they've got another album, a split LP with rapider than horsepower and a couple of eps as well. i think the 'heartbeeps' ep and the rapider split are pretty essential listening.
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Post by meoskop on Dec 18, 2008 14:16:15 GMT -5
i wasn't trying to offend, just having some fun. apologies. i'm not arguing HSIN as a great song; i've always enjoyed it, and it may very well be a better overall representation of the smiths than TIALTNGO. i was simply saying that HSIN might be the "obligatory" favorite song for someone who's never heard anything else by the band(as that song is pretty mainstream-accessible, on several 80's comps and such), or for someone like my dad, who doesn't like the smiths, but loves HSIN just because it's featured in the wedding singer. HSIN may just be played-out for me, the same way i usually skip "just like heaven" when i'm listening to the cure's kiss me kiss me kiss me, or why i rarely bother listening to "folsom prison blues", "i walk the line" or "ring of fire" anymore. they're all still great songs, but i've heard them all to death. when you're in a bar or club, and the college kids hit the jukebox, those are the songs you hear(again, not trying to offend if there are college students reading; this is just a fact, at least anywhere i've ever lived). TIALTNGO is the pick for me because my wife walked down to the aisle to it at our wedding, so it'll always have that special association. also because i believe it to be one of the most morbidly beautiful love songs ever. also, i don't think we could argue this by other bands choosing which song to cover, as i've heard a few VERY bad covers of HSIN, one by a pseudo goth-metal band my old roomate used to listen to called snake river conspiracy(awful, just awful), and i believe the other was done by that girl duo TATU from a few years ago. Dude, none taken - it's a trash talking thread, I was answering in the spirit of the music rumble. 'cha, beginner song' met with 'puhhleeze, lead ears' not 'omg I must sit in my Moz closet listening to Sunny and cry, cry, cry.' S'all good. HOWever - that was totally my point - there are good covers of many Smiths / Moz songs but anyone who is NOT the Smiths who tries to do HSIN falls flat on their face. The Magic Numbers cover of TIALTNGO is kind of enjoyable - it fits with maybe five decent covers of Smith songs I've heard. (Even Bowie fell on his face trying to cover a Moz song) HSIN is so minted in their identity that it's untouchable. The Cure tho --- I think it's Katie Meluca that does the kicking version of Just Like Heaven. I can't listen to The Cure at all anymore - but they are another band hard to cover.
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Post by meoskop on Dec 18, 2008 14:19:31 GMT -5
Floyd question for the haters - does the Pink Floyd dislike extend to all eras? Like, you hate everything Barrett did as well? Or it's just Waters/Gilmour? Me, I can't tolerate anything after Waters left, and I love Barrett, some of his solo stuff is amazing.
Hating the Beach Boys I fully comprehend.
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Post by lilhan on Dec 18, 2008 14:38:11 GMT -5
i love pink floyd.
wish you were here is perfect. you can tell me differently but i wont be listening: *sticks fingers in ears and sings "lalalalalalalalaaaaaa!"*
it's all about opinion and in MY opinion, floyd are cool.
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Post by hostilemass on Dec 18, 2008 14:49:31 GMT -5
Second!
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 18, 2008 14:53:21 GMT -5
Floyd with Barrett are amazing. I cannot listen to anything after he left. They are so fucking pretentious, Animals *throws up*
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Post by lilhan on Dec 18, 2008 14:56:56 GMT -5
depends which drugs you are on. this is a joke. kinda.
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Post by mashablues on Dec 18, 2008 17:21:46 GMT -5
R.E.M. - "you are the everything" (seriously, 'end of the world' is your favorite REM song? have you listened to anything else by this band?) Yeah big REM fan; Drive, Nightswimming, RFE, and Low were all contenders but It's the end... has sentimental value; childhood memories of my dad playing it in the house all the time and me dancing around like a loony. I just love the pace of it, fast lyrics (I can do 3 verses then I can't keep up the pace) and the overall sense of fun in the song. I love 'end of the world' as well. When I saw REM in Manchester recently they showed people in the crowd on the massive screens trying to sing along to it. A bit cruel but hilarious! As with THS and Bowie I find it really hard to pick a favourite REM song. I do especially love 'So fast so numb,' 'e-bow' and have been listening to 'Shaking Through' a lot recently.
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Post by GlimmerTwin on Dec 18, 2008 22:38:42 GMT -5
Two things reek about this thread. Very limilting and exclusive list of artists (where the FUCK is Neil Young?). Black Sabbath is on the list and nobody stepped up and offered "Fairies Wear Boots." And for those of you that passed, or dissed Sabbath. . . . (edit. . . . happy Chrissy?)
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Post by Phils_fan on Dec 18, 2008 23:03:48 GMT -5
where the FUCK is Neil Young? last I looked in NYC, but probably gone by now.
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Post by meoskop on Dec 18, 2008 23:10:34 GMT -5
where the FUCK is Neil Young? last I looked in NYC, but probably gone by now. hopefully far from a microphone?
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Post by GlimmerTwin on Dec 18, 2008 23:12:28 GMT -5
where the FUCK is Neil Young? last I looked in NYC, but probably gone by now. Probably. Saw him last Saturday in Worcester. How is it that a 63 year old dude that just survived an aneurysm a few years ago can out energize and out rock every band out there today? The newer songs in the middle of the set (as our residential holy pusher less than accurately pointed out) somewhat dulled the emotion, but, fuck. . . an extended Cowgirl, Rockin', and feedback-drenched, string-shredddng cover of a Day in the Life is untouchable. Rock and Roll Means Well, but fucking Rust Never Sleeps.
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Post by lilhan on Dec 19, 2008 6:37:02 GMT -5
good to have you back glimmer!!
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Post by mike on Dec 19, 2008 7:36:53 GMT -5
Two things reek about this thread. Very limilting and exclusive list of artists (where the FUCK is Neil Young?). Black Sabbath is on the list and nobody stepped up and offered "Fairies Wear Boots." And for those of you that passed, or dissed Sabbath. . . . (edit. . . . happy Chrissy?) i don't think it's so bad. everyone's going to have different ideas of what the all-time greats are, and i think we can all agree we're a little embarrassed on matt's behalf for his inclusion of muse, but the idea's solid and i think it's quite a fun little thread really. xo
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Post by beencaughtstealin on Dec 19, 2008 9:39:20 GMT -5
Two things reek about this thread. Very limilting and exclusive list of artists (where the FUCK is Neil Young?). Black Sabbath is on the list and nobody stepped up and offered "Fairies Wear Boots." And for those of you that passed, or dissed Sabbath. . . . (edit. . . . happy Chrissy?) i don't think it's so bad. everyone's going to have different ideas of what the all-time greats are, and i think we can all agree we're a little embarrassed on matt's behalf for his inclusion of muse, but the idea's solid and i think it's quite a fun little thread really. xo ditto. post your own list next, and we'll continue the thread with your bands. as for sabbath, i can appreciate their contribution and place in history, but i still can't stand ozzy's voice. it's powerful and unmistakable, but sounds vaguely like the time i accidentally stepped on my cat's tail and she let out a loud, painful yowl.
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Post by GlimmerTwin on Dec 19, 2008 9:40:45 GMT -5
good to have you back glimmer!! Nice to see you too lilhan. I'm jealous of your capital letters.
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Post by red on Dec 19, 2008 16:03:46 GMT -5
the beatles - here comes the sun the rolling stones - dead flowers the who - mary anne with the shaky hand the kinks - this time tomorrow jimi hendrix - machine gun david bowie - rock and roll suicide elvis costello - radio radio elvis presley - suspicious minds beach boys - god only knows drive-by truckers - outfit modest mouse - i came as a rat mountain goats - first few desperate hours pixies - gigantic pink floyd - echoes nirvana - the man who sold the world r.e.m. - so central rain the smiths - asleep muse - ? the replacements - unsatisfied smashing pumpkins - ? bob dylan - desolation row johnny cash - i see a darkness black sabbath - ? soundgarden - ? the clash - (white man) in hammersmith palais the ramones - ? the stooges - t.v. eye beastie boys - hey ladies bruce springsteen - jungleland the hold steady - banging camp
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Post by stevedave on Dec 19, 2008 16:27:29 GMT -5
Floyd question for the haters - does the Pink Floyd dislike extend to all eras? Like, you hate everything Barrett did as well? Or it's just Waters/Gilmour? Me, I can't tolerate anything after Waters left, and I love Barrett, some of his solo stuff is amazing. My Floyd thing is personal. I was quite into them at 15. I liked Piper era and The Wall. But there's a Mojo problem. It's missing. Technically great and clever and accomplished and all that but can they hold my attention? Do I believe in them? Have I ever listened to a full album since the millennium? No. I get they're lauded and loved. But Fuck 'em. I'm happier without them to be honest. Love the sleeves still though.
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Post by stevedave on Dec 19, 2008 16:32:27 GMT -5
as for sabbath, i can appreciate their contribution and place in history, but i still can't stand ozzy's voice. it's powerful and unmistakable, but sounds vaguely like the time i accidentally stepped on my cat's tail and she let out a loud, painful yowl. Awww You're just trying to get my blood up. I once described Blizzard Of Oz as the perfect 80's Metal Album. And I stand by that. I get why people don't like Ozzy (Personally I love him) but Sabbath is Rock And Roll DNA. The birth of a genre. The defining sound to this day of Heavy Metal.
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Post by lilhan on Dec 19, 2008 16:39:04 GMT -5
Floyd question for the haters - does the Pink Floyd dislike extend to all eras? Like, you hate everything Barrett did as well? Or it's just Waters/Gilmour? Me, I can't tolerate anything after Waters left, and I love Barrett, some of his solo stuff is amazing. My Floyd thing is personal. I was quite into them at 15. I liked Piper era and The Wall. But there's a Mojo problem. It's missing. Technically great and clever and accomplished and all that but can they hold my attention? Do I believe in them? Have I ever listened to a full album since the millennium? No. I get they're lauded and loved. But Fuck 'em. I'm happier without them to be honest. Love the sleeves still though. ahhh falling out of love with a band... growing up with floyd means they have a special place in my heart. i can see why people don't like them. i can see why people don't think they are relevant or why they think they are boring. i just don't agree totally. the sleeves do rock.
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