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Post by hoodrat on Feb 22, 2009 18:54:50 GMT -5
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Post by biblesalesman on Feb 22, 2009 18:56:01 GMT -5
and why can we diss Christian Bale but not THS?
1. Because its not a Christian Bale board. 2. I wasnt being critical of Christian. I was being critical of the character he portrayed. Its a make believe person.
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Post by biblesalesman on Feb 22, 2009 18:57:49 GMT -5
you always make me look shit up. (this is funny AFTER the fact)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 18:58:54 GMT -5
Batman is more real to me then most people and i think you were being critical of his portrayal of the character, since Batman is never wrong but seriously: i can argue about Batman on a THS board. logically, i could also argue about THS on a comic book board. but wouldn't it make more sense to argue about Batman with passionate Batman fans and argue about THS with passionate THS fans?
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Post by biblesalesman on Feb 22, 2009 18:59:37 GMT -5
Hoodrat...thats rough. How is that possible? Mine was more in relation to def 3
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Feb 22, 2009 19:33:15 GMT -5
you were asserting a serious seperation between band and fans. at what point does a band get too big to listen to people's input? i mean locally i can go 'hey you guys are awesome but your name is lame/you're a bit overexposed' or whatever and as long as i keep supporting them and buying tix everything is cool. does that relationship stop after a certain point? From the bands I know or have spoken to frankly about this - and I'm not including THS here; I'm not presuming to speak for them - this is the way the land lies: the minute they start getting popular - and that doesn't mean all that popular, it means popular enough that uncommitted fans start coming to shows and buying the records - they no longer want to hear what fans have to say. This is the relationship they want to have with their fans: you buy the record and the concert ticket, then you go home. End of story. The lead singer of one very credible band, world famous, once told me that the single thing he hated most was small gigs, though he always had to say publicly how great they were. The reason? Every single person at small gigs is a committed fan and thinks they own the band. Another cult UK band are so sick of some of their regulars that they actively try to discourage some of them from going to gigs. In his book Love is the Drug, John Aizlewood offers a reason for this: the fans who were so welcome when a band is unknown become a reminder that obscurity is always beckoning. I think that's plausible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 19:38:59 GMT -5
i think they might just be scared i mean after the Laneway set me and a few other people tried climbing the backstage fence...i was thinking 'this is not something i should be doing' anyway i'm used to speaking my mind on the Internet and i'm not going to stop debating and arguing about anything or anyone
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Post by maestro on Feb 23, 2009 4:13:20 GMT -5
I've been away from a computer since Thursday and am only now getting caught up on the many responses to this thread. One thing I do want to quickly clarify, though it should be obvious to anyone who has actually read from the beginning, is that this was never meant to be a thread used to list negative feelings related to The Hold Steady. I'm as big an evangelist for THS as there is, my friends are probably only more sick of hearing about the greatness of "The Wire."
I was interested in talking about the concept of "THS Criticism" and its relation to this board. It wasn't my intention to mislead anyone with the thread title.
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Post by Elwoodii on Feb 23, 2009 4:57:46 GMT -5
The Wire is the best isnt it.
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Post by mhetrick14 on Feb 23, 2009 14:19:14 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point.
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Post by mhetrick14 on Feb 23, 2009 14:21:09 GMT -5
The Wire is the best isnt it. Oh, indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 17:12:24 GMT -5
i still haven't seen it... but yeah it does have alot of evangalists dosen't it
"the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point."
the band has always been bigger then this board... i've long wondered why we're so small, actually
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Post by hoodrat on Feb 23, 2009 17:18:53 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point. beg to differ. it just requires a little effort. the band will not be as around or as accessible. which is fair. there are too many of us and they need their own lives, their own spaces, and a little distance. and hell yeah the band is bigger than this board! that's kind of the point. but this place can remain the neighborhood pub for a much broader and bigger group of people than just those who were hip enough to hang out on the hot pink board. here's how: I have become accustomed to talking about the band here like they are real people and to you guys like you are people that I will see at the pub again tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 18:00:33 GMT -5
strangely enough this board is a million times nicer then a board i used to visit that was filled with people i see at the pub tho one of them actually recognized me 'cause he was DJing after the THS gig at another pub and i requested a THS song and he's like 'you're [name i used on that board]' and then he put on Stay Positive and we all boogied
er he recognized me 'cause i was always talking up the band
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Post by rodcarew on Feb 23, 2009 21:57:34 GMT -5
I'm still pretty new to the board but I have read different incarnations for a little over a year and even I notice a general change. However, I still continue to be amazed at the intimacy that does still exist amongst some of the longtime posters; how they communicate, what they know about one another, etc. I think as hoodrat said it will take some effort and it may never be quite the same for everyone who has participated on this board and at smaller shows. And I am sincere when I say that it can be difficult. I know I have had a hard time seeing some artists that I never really discussed with anyone but meant a lot to me pass me by or disappear from the scene.
And I know this might sound like some Pollyanna bullshit too, but the reality is that as the band has gotten bigger, or however you would describe it, and maybe the board has gotten affected, the band has also continued to touch more people's lives. I know they have had a profound impact on my life, and I feel like I have gotten involved pretty late in the game. But thanful that I did.
Okay, that's about as sentimental as I can get in one sitting - excuse me while I go lift weights or punch stuff or something.
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Post by fn on Feb 23, 2009 22:48:52 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point. what am i, chopped liver?
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Post by Admin on Feb 23, 2009 23:00:18 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point. what am i, chopped liver? Awwwesome.
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Post by ct on Feb 23, 2009 23:18:44 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point. of course the band should be bigger than the board or why would we be on the board? i don't think that means all of the intimacy is gone between THS and the fans. sometimes the band members do appear. the spring shows are pretty damn intimate to me and i think most of the people here. don't think you are going to find a lot of bands the caliber of THS playing 200 - 500 capacity venues. maybe they think about the fans a little more than some people are giving them credit for lately. for "the board" and it's place......i took a long break from message boards but a person i met at a THS show convinced me that i should give it a chance. it is a place where a group of strangers have come together and have be come friends. it really is like that neighborhood bar/pub where every one knows your name. i know that when i get in my car or on that plane and go to the next THS show, i am going to see some people that make the show that much better. i'm going to meet new people at those shows and i am going to try to get them to come here because we are a community. there are going to be random people that pop in and say something about the band, either good or bad, but there are going to be those that add to the community. i know there will be people that move on to the next "big" thing as THS becomes more popular but there are going to be people that feel the same way about the band as they did that first day. there may be things that change about the band that we don't like but as long as they are up on the stage giving everything they have night after night, how can anyone fault them for being successful? and fn.....you are not chopped liver.......
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Post by Admin on Feb 23, 2009 23:20:50 GMT -5
Very well put Craig. I loved reading that.
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Post by hoodrat on Feb 24, 2009 7:08:22 GMT -5
what am i, chopped liver? Awwwesome. best. the man has a point.
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Post by biblesalesman on Feb 24, 2009 8:16:42 GMT -5
Listen I am not sure who you are or where you get off talking about Jewish delicasies when we are discussing the most important thing in our lives. We are talking about the Hold Steady man. I know theres gonna be alot of new people here but if you are gonna go on about chicken livers and bagels maybe you should be on a Springstein board!
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Post by andy42g on Feb 24, 2009 8:19:32 GMT -5
I see the Stay Positive mastering issue raised it's head again. Can I just say that I hope the live album is done better... ;D EDIT: Actually it will be interesting to see how the extra tracks compare as Adderall and THH are to be included on the same disk. Maybe they'll just max out and distort the live recording to match them. Oh, and also The Wire is the best.
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Post by hoodrat on Feb 24, 2009 8:53:48 GMT -5
Listen I am not sure who you are or where you get off talking about Jewish delicasies when we are discussing the most important thing in our lives. We are talking about the Hold Steady man. I know theres gonna be alot of new people here but if you are gonna go on about chicken livers and bagels maybe you should be on a Springstein board! bible and fn collectively made my morning.
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 24, 2009 9:08:48 GMT -5
the problem is that the intimacy in that long post is gone and isn't coming back. this band is bigger than this board at this point. what am i, chopped liver? Never!
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 24, 2009 9:09:44 GMT -5
you always make me look shit up. (this is funny AFTER the fact) This made me laugh out loud at work ~ thanks!
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