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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Jul 30, 2014 14:17:58 GMT -5
Was thinking about this just before dealwiththedealers posted about the new Gaslight. I enjoy the bulk of Gaslight's catalog but after Fallon's meltdown last year I've lost a great deal of respect for him and have no desire to hear anything new, and rarely listen to them these days. I know everyone has their moments so maybe that's not fair but it's the case for the moment.
There was a Growing Pains episode where Ben found out his rock star hero was a drug using womanizer and didn't want to listen to his records anymore. Cheesy example, but you get my point - was wondering if anyone else feels the same in these situations?
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Post by dealwiththedealers on Jul 30, 2014 15:09:10 GMT -5
It's definitely a factor, but at the end of the day, it's about the music for me. Does Fallon come off as a dick? Yeah, but I can't ever know exactly how I would react if everyone expected my band to write '59 Sound over and over again and be Bruce Springsteen Jr. I heard the new song and I really dug it, so that almost always takes precedence for me.
However, an artist's personality CAN be a dealbreaker for me in rare instances. The best example of this is St. Vincent. She has some songs that I dig (e.g. Birth In Reverse), but her calculated and overwhelming pretentiousness, faux-intellectualism and self absorption actually prevents me from trying to enjoy her music. I'm not sure I would really like it anyway - alot of those adjectives could be applied to the music, too... her records are so emotionally distant, so unapproachable...
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Post by doctoracula on Jul 30, 2014 15:13:38 GMT -5
I've got good friends in bad bands, I know bad guys in great bands
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Post by charlie on Jul 30, 2014 16:08:46 GMT -5
I'm wary of meeting bands when given the opportunity, because I've decided that I'd be really bummed if a band I love turned out to be a bunch of dicks or came off that way. It does work in reverse, though -- there are some bands I've become more loyal to because of their friendliness and good nature.
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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Jul 30, 2014 16:30:59 GMT -5
It's definitely a factor, but at the end of the day, it's about the music for me. Does Fallon come off as a dick? Yeah, but I can't ever know exactly how I would react if everyone expected my band to write '59 Sound over and over again and be Bruce Springsteen Jr. I heard the new song and I really dug it, so that almost always takes precedence for me. Can definitely see your point there. My problem isn't so much that he came off as a dick - like I said, everyone has their moments. It's that he's been so unabashed in his love for Bruce that he sometimes does come off as Springsteen Jr - something he never seemed bothered by before, probably more flattered if I had to guess. So when a crowd of TGA and THS fans chant "Bruce" at you - at a show in Jersey no less - it's probably not the best moment to throw a fit about it. The other thing you probably shouldn't do after harassing fans for requesting covers and saying "We play Gaslight Anthem songs" is close your set with a cover. Completely agree with the St. Vincent assessment as well. I can't get into it at all. |
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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Jul 30, 2014 16:34:56 GMT -5
I'm wary of meeting bands when given the opportunity, because I've decided that I'd be really bummed if a band I love turned out to be a bunch of dicks or came off that way. It does work in reverse, though -- there are some bands I've become more loyal to because of their friendliness and good nature. Absolutely! My band opened for No Motiv for a series of three shows back in '00 or '01. They were the nicest bunch of guys to be on the road with, I became a fan even though I was never much into emo. |
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Post by dealwiththedealers on Jul 30, 2014 17:16:14 GMT -5
It's definitely a factor, but at the end of the day, it's about the music for me. Does Fallon come off as a dick? Yeah, but I can't ever know exactly how I would react if everyone expected my band to write '59 Sound over and over again and be Bruce Springsteen Jr. I heard the new song and I really dug it, so that almost always takes precedence for me. The other thing you probably shouldn't do after harassing fans for requesting covers and saying "We play Gaslight Anthem songs" is close your set with a cover. Abso-fucking-lutely. So hypocritical. |
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Post by nowah on Jul 30, 2014 17:33:41 GMT -5
I've got good friends in bad bands, I know bad guys in great bands Bravo. |
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Post by doctoracula on Jul 30, 2014 19:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by jtd7 on Aug 1, 2014 18:01:08 GMT -5
I've got good friends in bad bands, I know bad guys in great bands I think that @fakecraigfinn just outed himself.  |
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Post by doctoracula on Aug 1, 2014 18:08:17 GMT -5
haha i wish i was that clever! plus, that's a real finn lyric!
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Post by bloodystereos on Aug 1, 2014 18:17:44 GMT -5
If anything, it's my personality issues that affect my liking of a band, more than theirs.
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Post by doctoracula on Aug 1, 2014 18:27:31 GMT -5
i will say it's pretty wonderful living in the 21st century. if an artist i like turns out to be a total piece of shit, i can easily continue to acquire and enjoy their art without ever giving them another cent.
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Post by doctoracula on Aug 1, 2014 18:28:03 GMT -5
(and the only time i do that is if someone turns out to be an extreme shit. not just a general jerk)
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Post by skatenlayton on Aug 2, 2014 9:24:43 GMT -5
some stoner i work with wants me to go to stockton collage to see dicky betts. i don't care to see him, and thought.....that drunken bastard got thrown out of the allman brothers!
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Post by muzzleofbees on Aug 3, 2014 3:25:34 GMT -5
Music is about inspiration, pleasure and identification, and to me there are hundreds of reasons to like or dislike a given artist or a band. It's interesting that you bring up Fallon. I can clearly remember liking them less after seeing them live for the first time. Partly because it was a bit boring, but mostly because Fallon looked like a guy who was more into looking like a rock star, than to write and perform good songs. It's probably not his fault (it's not you, it's me), but the whole image and feeling I got from that guy, made me think less of the band and the music they were playing. Not because I can't handle a guy wanting to be a rock star. It had more to do with how the band seemed to sell itself like a very blue collar, genuine kind of thing, and failed to live up to it. It's nothing wrong with extravaganza and pretentions, but you can't have it both ways.
It's not rational. It might not even be "fair". But it's a part of the impression of and feelings towards a band. I think very few people sit down and make a list of pros and cons. Our perceptions of music is a mix of a lot of feelings, impressions and thoughts. And if a non-musical element is irritating or distracting, that's just the way it is.
To turn it the other way around: Seeing Hold Steady for the first time, made me feel the opposite. They just seemed to channel so much joy and so much sincere happiness about what they were doing, that it made me love the band even more. These things influence us (or at least me). And I don't think it's possible to isolate it from my straight up musical preferences.
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Post by stephano on Aug 4, 2014 7:22:35 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of Guns N' Roses, Metallica, Oasis and Gaslight Anthem.
I knew there were dickheads in the first three. Now I could add Gaslight to the list but I know nothing of his little strop and I don't really want to.
Richie Blackmore is a control freak, Ginger Baker a very rude man and Led Zeppelin have done some deplorable things but for the records...
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Post by lyman on Aug 5, 2014 15:21:49 GMT -5
If anything, it's my personality issues that affect my liking of a band, more than theirs. Ha! Good point. An artist would have to do something pretty bad, like something either morally reprehensible or that personally effected me or my loved ones for me to dislike them in spite of liking their music. They say don't meet your idols. I believe that. I think Ted Nugent's fans like to believe that people don't like him because of his politics rather than his music. Sorry. It's the music. |
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Post by stephano on Aug 6, 2014 6:09:01 GMT -5
Anyone own a Lostprophets album?
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Post by jwd on Aug 14, 2014 12:51:31 GMT -5
I think it can't help but color your impression in either direction. For instance, the exposure to THS has been overwhelmingly positive and that
helps my appreciation even more. Now ask me about Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, I will have a different story.
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Post by junobeach on Aug 14, 2014 15:28:31 GMT -5
I think it can't help but color your impression in either direction. For instance, the exposure to THS has been overwhelmingly positive and that helps my appreciation even more. Now ask me about Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, I will have a different story. Last time I photographed BRMC I was warned not to go near the singer, lest he attack me from the stage. Needless to say, unimpressed. |
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Post by alexondrums on Aug 15, 2014 3:10:32 GMT -5
It's hard for me to keep going with a band after I hear something bad, but it depends on the nature of the unpleasantness and the quality of the music, so I suppose there's a sliding scale of sorts in terms of what I can let go or not.
You hear all sorts of stories about Prince's behaviour over the years, but have you HEARD Prince? I'm not the biggest BRMC fan to begin with though, so if hear that about their singer then yeah I'm not going anywhere near them.
In reply to Stephano's Lostprophets comment: Something like that has no sliding scale. They could have written some Wyld-Stallyns brings-the-world-into-complete-harmony type shit and I'd still have thrown out everything they recorded. I refuse to have any artifact of that creature in my home.
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Post by alexondrums on Aug 15, 2014 3:12:05 GMT -5
Complete oppostite end of the spectrum: If you think you can't love The Hold Steady any more than you do, try meeting them. They are the absolute best and their records bring me even more joy than they used to now.
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Post by jz on Aug 15, 2014 12:20:41 GMT -5
The thing with Brian Fallon was rough, but that was an especially bad year for him. With everything before or after Handwritten-era Gaslight, he's been an extremely cool dude. In short, divorce and depression can really seep into all aspects of your life, including onstage.
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Post by doctoracula on Aug 15, 2014 12:22:22 GMT -5
As far as I know, he's always had that whole "romanticizing the past and wishing for a time before he was born" personality flaw, which I just can't get past
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