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Post by motörben on May 11, 2010 5:34:16 GMT -5
Also my favorite review so far......thanks for posting. " Finn hasn't really walked among (or smoked up with, or actively lusted after, I'm assuming) those boys and girls for years now; if you still love this band, you probably haven't either." Deduct two points.
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Post by Sunny D on May 11, 2010 19:03:57 GMT -5
Also my favorite review so far......thanks for posting. " Finn hasn't really walked among (or smoked up with, or actively lusted after, I'm assuming) those boys and girls for years now; if you still love this band, you probably haven't either." Deduct two points. It's a pretty weird thing to say.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2010 19:07:15 GMT -5
Also my favorite review so far......thanks for posting. " Finn hasn't really walked among (or smoked up with, or actively lusted after, I'm assuming) those boys and girls for years now; if you still love this band, you probably haven't either." Deduct two points. yeah.... i mean, that's the stereotype, but my idea of a quiet week is one where i only see 3 gigs instead of 4 part of what I love is how they do dissect the scene. i had a guy come up to me a few weeks ago at a local gig and basically say 'the scene sucks. it isn't Unified', though he didn't say those words
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2010 19:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by Sunny D on May 11, 2010 19:52:34 GMT -5
Forget that guy. The songs are too slow? I'm not even saying anything about that. And just because Craig doesn't namecheck doesn't mean Holly and Charlemagne are absent. And can someone seriously describe to me what constitutes as "overproduced?" It just seems like something people say to look smart and gain indie-cred.
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Post by doctoracula on May 11, 2010 22:48:00 GMT -5
you know what makes no sense in the punknews review? saying the vocals sound empty.
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Post by doctoracula on May 11, 2010 22:48:18 GMT -5
also, anytime anyone says "yeah, i said it", their opinion becomes null and void
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Post by ontheradio on May 11, 2010 23:12:21 GMT -5
also, anytime anyone says "yeah, i said it", their opinion becomes null and void I'd say anyone writing for the website "punknews" also has an opinion that is null and void. what a jackass.
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Post by doctoracula on May 11, 2010 23:17:05 GMT -5
punknews tends to have the worst comments on earth, but there are some good reviewers on there. some crappy ones too, but they're not all bad.
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Post by muzzleofbees on May 12, 2010 1:12:15 GMT -5
And can someone seriously describe to me what constitutes as "overproduced?" It just seems like something people say to look smart and gain indie-cred. I guess it's up to each and everyone to decide what constitutes a fitting production, and what constitutes over- or underproduced. To me, a overproduced record is one where the overall feeling of the album, how I connect to the songs, the atmosphere, the notion of a real band playing real songs, is overshadowed by a sound to slick, smooth, loud and/ord heavy. Where I get the feeling that the songs would come more through, that I could connect with them in a better way, if it hadn't been for a thick layer of something, something that stands between me and a deeper appreciation of the songs buried beneath the sound. I think you can dismiss every opinion on music with the "this isn't your real opinion, it's just something you say to gain cred"-argument. But is it really fair? When you give yourself the role of a judge over someone elses preferences, and indirectly claim to know better than the reviewer (or any other guy) what is his real feelings, and what is just something he or she says to climb in a social hierarchy of some sort, to gain cred or to look smart, music debate is in my opinion dead. I agree that the word 'overproduced' is meaningless unless a further explination of what constitutes it is added. But that's the case for almost every adjective - positive or negative - describing music. As for Heaven Is Whenever, I don't think it's overproduced at all. But I can see why people feel that way. Compared to the gritty sound of Almost Killed Me, the clean rock sound of Separation Sunday and the big, but yet organic sound of Boys And Girls, Heaven Is Whenever is a lot thicker, brighter and more shiny. If you don't like that sound, and feels that there are great songs buried underneath a not really fitting production, I think it's fair to call it overproduced. But I agree that it should be accompanied by a further description of why and how (you feel) it's overproduced.
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Post by doctoracula on May 12, 2010 19:49:57 GMT -5
more and more, "overproduced" is a way for people to express their dislike for a record without actually explaining anything
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 20:18:33 GMT -5
i saw a band that managed to sound overproduced while playing live. that was annoying
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Post by doctoracula on May 12, 2010 20:35:18 GMT -5
i bet they had line 6 amps
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Post by jtd7 on May 20, 2010 22:38:51 GMT -5
Remember the NY Times review of "Heaven Is Wherever"? The one the critic wrote in what he thought was the style of Craig Finn's lyrics? Well, I just listened to the NY Times pop music podcast from that week . . . . . and that critic reads his "lyrics." itunes.apple.com/podcast/music-popcast/id120315823It's on the Popcast of May 6. I'm not sure whether it's sad or funny. (That podcast also has a solo acoustic performance from Josh Ritter, I did enjoy that)
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Post by dan on May 21, 2010 1:21:30 GMT -5
I've never really heard the "over-produced" line said about a record that wasn't actually over-produced. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember. Anyway, I think its a legitimate issue to have with a record. The difference in production is immediately apparent within three seconds of hearing HiW. There are a lot more modern production tricks on this album, more layering, more overdubs, a much cleaner, digital, compressed sound. I'm not sure if it is over-produced relative to the rest of the music being released these days, but certainly much more polished than THS's older albums, so I can see why people are a little taken back that all of these songs sound like they have been mixed for radio. I was a little put-off by it at first, but I'm used to it by now.
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Post by schlitsz on May 21, 2010 18:54:15 GMT -5
I'm really happy with the production quality of HiW. SP was so muddled, muffled, whatever that I'm glad HiW has more of a crisp sound to it. I guess I can see the argument that the production is odd when compared to the other albums, but why does it have to be a negative thing? The overall sound is just much better and I think it's a good thing. To me, it doesn't seem like a sell-out move or anything like that.
I read the Rolling Stone article the other day, and doesn't Craig mention something about how the lyrics on HiW are more through the eyes of a guy sitting on his porch reflecting on things - or something along those lines? I obviously also don't agree that the lyrics are bad on HiW. There are enough one-liners and witty little nuggets sprinkled throughout.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2010 20:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by muzzleofbees on May 25, 2010 6:28:31 GMT -5
I guess I can see the argument that the production is odd when compared to the other albums, but why does it have to be a negative thing? It doesn't. It can be either negative or positive. To some, it's negative. Hence the 'overproduced' label. And even though the term doesn't mean much unless it's specified in which way the record is overproduced, I don't think it's wrong to state it if you feel that way.
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Post by idiotbear on May 30, 2010 12:34:30 GMT -5
My review:
Yeah, it's alright.
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Post by wackojacko on Jun 1, 2010 14:04:54 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed a similarity between the intro of soft in the center and slapped actress (the latter is also a little heavier).
I will be doing a proper review for my music blog, but my two cents are that it's good but it's their worst yet, and i hope it's a 'transition album'
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