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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2009 11:04:37 GMT -5
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2009 11:05:44 GMT -5
meh, saw 'em first time round.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2009 11:06:22 GMT -5
meh, saw 'em first time round. You're OLD.
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2009 11:07:30 GMT -5
i'm 26.
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Post by parock on Sept 17, 2009 11:12:29 GMT -5
Can we trade them in and get Archers of Loaf instead?
Most overrated band ever.
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2009 11:14:26 GMT -5
Can we trade them in and get Archers of Loaf instead? Most overrated band ever. i think pavement were brilliant, but i back the archers of loaf sentiment. cracking band.
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Post by john k on Sept 17, 2009 11:34:44 GMT -5
saw them in 94. i was not impressed. still like their records tho.
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Post by elliptical on Sept 17, 2009 13:44:09 GMT -5
glad to know that my ... puzzlement at the deification of pavement isn't completely isolated.
i agree on archers of loaf, though. what a band that was.
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Post by toastie on Sept 17, 2009 13:58:24 GMT -5
Just don't see whats so brilliant about them. Did they appeal to the stoner demographic or something?
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Sept 17, 2009 14:17:28 GMT -5
Call me when the original lineup of Atomic Kitten reform.
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Post by john k on Sept 17, 2009 14:22:11 GMT -5
Call me when the original lineup of Atomic Kitten reform. i'd go
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Post by lilhan on Sept 18, 2009 5:03:47 GMT -5
Call me when the original lineup of Atomic Kitten reform. tea everywhere.
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Post by pubmonkey on Sept 18, 2009 7:19:26 GMT -5
Pavement were brilliant, or maybe you just had to be a certain age, at 39 i was in college when the Pavement phenomena hit, in on the ground floor, played them on my radio show, dug them, yes they did appeal to the stoner demographic but that's a pretty wide and general demographic, as what doesn't appeal to the stoner demographic? particularly being stoned and deciphering SM and Spiral Stairs lyrics while eating Cheetos and drinking malt liquor, it's like anything really, as i got older there are some bands people a bit younger than me love and i think are quite shit, even bands mentiononed on this board, yet what it really boils down to is the place and time and mindset of when and how and maybe who you heard them with, it's subjective, we like what we like and there are a myriad of reasons behind why, that said the Archer's arguement has been around for years, they were a bit written of in the USA as derivative of Pavement, i tend to disagree but you can find Bachmann himself admitting to it, that said i think a double bill of Pavement and Archers of Loaf would be stellar, of course Malkmus being a bit of an egotistical twat i'm sure would not have it, but Pavement like Superchunk defined a certain time period and a certain scene for those of us at a certain age, pre-internet, when you had to go to record stores and find shit out or raid the college radio station and listen to a bunch of promo shit to see if there was anything worth listening to, but look at me getting all nostalgic and old.
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Post by pubmonkey on Sept 18, 2009 7:20:41 GMT -5
They also did appeal to the suburban white youth who longed to slum it, at least here in the states, many of who did that by piling up massive debt and shuffling off to uni.
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Post by mike on Sept 18, 2009 7:52:40 GMT -5
well said, pubmonkey. it's also worth noting that pavement were the first to adopt the whole lazy lo-fi downstroke-heavy college rock sound that dominated the post-grunge years, so their uniqueness has faded over the years because of the sheer number of copyists around. i think that at least in part explain's toastie's failure to understand.
i certainly think they one of the best rock bands of the '90s, though.
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Post by JonnyJay on Sept 18, 2009 12:42:18 GMT -5
I won't go outta my way to see this, but I would really enjoy it. Their first few records are pretty tight. I bet they'll play Coachella and/or Pitchfork Fest next summer.
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Post by toastie on Sept 18, 2009 14:10:24 GMT -5
i think that at least in part explain's toastie's failure to understand. Thanks Mike. I think that has something to do with it, that and it seems their back catolouge seems patchy. Saw the video for "Stereo" not that long ago and thought it was alright at best. I do like my music to catch my attention, which why I can't take to Glasvegas.
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2009 4:36:33 GMT -5
i think that at least in part explain's toastie's failure to understand. Thanks Mike. I think that has something to do with it, that and it seems their back catolouge seems patchy. Saw the video for "Stereo" not that long ago and thought it was alright at best. I do like my music to catch my attention, which why I can't take to Glasvegas. it was attention-catching at the time, though, that's why so many people have copied it. 'slanted and enchanted' is a straight up masterpiece, and everything up to the last album was decent at worst (and even that one had a couple of great tracks on it - 'carrot rope' is a big favourite of mine), and certainly massively influential on a whole generation of great indie bands, including the aforementioned archers of loaf. they were unpredictable and wry and thoroughly deserve their reputation, and should certainly be investigated in depth before being dismissed. you have a habit of presenting negative opinions on things you know precious little about which you should perhaps also examine. the first preston school of industry album is really great too.
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Post by toastie on Sept 19, 2009 4:50:55 GMT -5
Thanks Mike. I think that has something to do with it, that and it seems their back catolouge seems patchy. Saw the video for "Stereo" not that long ago and thought it was alright at best. I do like my music to catch my attention, which why I can't take to Glasvegas. it was attention-catching at the time, though, that's why so many people have copied it. 'slanted and enchanted' is a straight up masterpiece, and everything up to the last album was decent at worst (and even that one had a couple of great tracks on it - 'carrot rope' is a big favourite of mine), and certainly massively influential on a whole generation of great indie bands, including the aforementioned archers of loaf. they were unpredictable and wry and thoroughly deserve their reputation, and should certainly be investigated in depth before being dismissed. you have a habit of presenting negative opinions on things you know basically shit-all about which you should perhaps also examine. True. I just don't want to buy an album (the only available ones I can find are expensive deluxe editions) and be dissapointed.
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2009 4:56:31 GMT -5
haha, i edited out the unnecessary morning grumpiness but you beat me to the punch by quoting me. i'm sure you could find a fair amount of their stuff on spotify.
and the deluxe edition of 'slanted and enchanted' is actually a pretty great introduction to the band, i think. it's got the complete album, some peel sessions and a full live set, if i remember rightly, and it's really cool to hear how differently they play the songs each time. in the early days especially they had a real air of spontaneity about them that was really fascinating. there's a double dvd with a feature-length documentary and all the videos which is also very good as a starting point.
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2009 5:00:56 GMT -5
and i'm sorry for being bullish, it was uncalled-for.
xo
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Post by toastie on Sept 19, 2009 5:01:56 GMT -5
Cool. Don't blame you for been grumpy. I would be if I got "schwasted" last night. But the club wasn't brill banter. Will look them up on spotify after work (assuming I come home).
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2009 5:25:56 GMT -5
aye, a lot of places are dead at the moment. with this recession and the smoking ban, i think a lot of people are just opting to drink at home instead. the place i was at last night would have been a ghost town if it wasn't for my friend's leaving leeds get-together.
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Post by elliptical on Sept 19, 2009 5:56:16 GMT -5
pubmonkey: I'm a year older than you and was a DJ at my (grad) school radio station just after Pavement hit, and when the first AoL album came out. I was there at the time, in other words. I think it's just subjective --- the reason I loved AoL (and, perhaps not so surprisingly, THS) is the quite obvious indebtedness to Cheap Trick, a band I loved as a kid, while Pavement sounded (to me) like they were just trying to hard to be different for the sake of being different. I just didn't get it. Maybe if went back now I might---many of my friends, some considerably younger than me, and many people I respect (like mike) love them---but perhaps the right time has come and gone. We'll just have to see.
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2009 6:04:50 GMT -5
do you not think that being different for the sake of being different is kind of what indie rock thrives on, though? i mean, that's what the majority of my favourite bands do; take the pop formula and try to make something from it that's uniquely theirs. even when they were a mess, i think pavement were quite minimal and restrained in their own way (in contrast to the obnoxious, confrontational weirdness of early sonic youth and the like).
...but then i do like a lot of wacky music most of you guys would hate.
has anybody heard the first urusei yatsura album, 'we are urusei yatsura'? pavement copyism at its best!
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