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Post by dot info on Jan 15, 2009 4:20:07 GMT -5
Craig has said on several interviews that the characters on Stay Positive are older than the characters he's written about before.
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Post by lilhan on Jan 15, 2009 7:18:19 GMT -5
^^ this is true. it's about growing old and retaining young ideals. or something like that...
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Post by magicrat on Jan 16, 2009 16:33:41 GMT -5
......and in the end, it turns out Holly was Keyser Soze all along!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 18:36:01 GMT -5
I actually turned Seperation Sunday into a Through Line for a film... it ended up pretty simple. Holly comes to the big city, gets fucked up and gets clean. The idea for the film was that it would have things that COULD be supernatural but could also be drugged up madness. i'm a big fan of that sort of symbolism so the 'resurrection' is Holly ODing and somehow getting getting better 3 days later... or maybe she did die and come back to life. who knows? the neon church from Baz Luhrmen's 'Romeo + Juliet' makes an apperance
i think 'the camps on the banks of the river' are brainwashing camps that are somehow linked to Lost yeah in my head is this awesome plan to turn SS into a misty urban fantasy thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 18:39:16 GMT -5
I have almost zero clue how that one works. This has probably been discussed ad nauseam already. hmm, well, i have no particular investment in this reading. and i've told myself these stories a lot of different ways. and, i tend to think the stories are better if i see less cross-pollination between the albums. but there are at least character similarities. however, sapphire's main identifier is that she has religious visions, or fakes them. also, she's tied up in some betrayal of one of the townie boys in the stay positive songs. (i don't think there's any way magazines is about holly or sapphire fwiw; druggy catholic chick from the suburbs doesn't match with the benefits and the building dedications, magazines and daddy issues chick; that's a new woman) holly has visions. st theresa comes to her (in chicago seemed tired). in multitude, they go on a vision quest but don't find anything. but in stevie nix, someone (presumably holly, i think) gets screwed up by her vision. and we know holly is tied up in some betrayal or another, probably charlemagne's. if betrayal is a character trait, they're certainly both neck-deep in it. so, at least, both characters are some druggy catholic girls who have visions and are mixed up in some bloody business where the fellow gets sold out. i thought that Sapphire was just psychic - her visions were secular, though she was clarivoyant. think John Smith in The Dead Zone. sometimes the visons get mixed up with symbolism. i say this because, assuming that Sapphire is the girl from 'Chips Ahoy!', her psychic powers are pretty reliable - she can use them to win at horse races, which imply a degree of accuracy and coherance that you don't get in Holly's visions Holly has Catholic visions that may or may not be druggy halucinations but don't seem to have the reliability or accuracy of Sapphire's. also, unlike Sapphire, she can't neccasarily see the future. she might be psychic or messed up but she probably isn't a true clarivoyant
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Post by beeftronique on Jan 19, 2009 19:34:27 GMT -5
there is a plane, and there are snakes on it.
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Post by deadelectromix on Jan 19, 2009 23:39:49 GMT -5
These arms have hands.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 0:48:26 GMT -5
Continuing on the 'i'm going to pretend not to have a sense of humor' Stephen King's Dark Tower books have camps where they kidnap and use various psychics for evil purposes.... so maybe the 'camps on the banks of the river' give people/use people with psychic powers
but that gets way too literal i think
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