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Post by mja271 on Jan 28, 2014 20:27:53 GMT -5
Pretty salty about no Look Alive, I love that song. Still pretty pumped for the record. Love everything I've seen so far.
Funny how they did the same thing with Teeth Dreams as they did with Heaven Is Whenever. They changed the song names and used the original titles as the album title.
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Post by stringer on Jan 28, 2014 20:55:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one who didn't listen to the previews? It would have driven me insane. Yknow, like, when you're watching a tv series on DVD and at the end of each episode it goes "next time on..." I'm like I DONT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING. I WILL SEE IT IN A MINUTE,
I sorta feel like that.
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Post by doctoracula on Jan 28, 2014 20:57:36 GMT -5
i can't take song clips. i want to hear entire songs. so i abstained.
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Post by bigontheinside on Jan 28, 2014 21:04:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of wish I hadn't listened to them.
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Post by meoskop on Jan 29, 2014 1:01:15 GMT -5
I never do clips. I am just waiting not so patiently.
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Post by jc on Jan 30, 2014 16:17:28 GMT -5
The below is from the bio page here washingtonsquaremusic.com/assets/ so hopefully cool to post. If you're interested in this kind of thing it's incredibly interesting. Especially Oaks. TEETH DREAMS: A song-by-song breakdown with Tad Kubler & Craig Finn:1. I Hope This Whole Thing Didn't Frighten You Tad Kubler: There are several things going on here: In the early spring of 2012, we decided to get together and try and work through some ideas. Finn was out on tour doing his own thing and we wanted to make sure to stay creatively limber as a band. Galen, Bobby and I went down to Memphis where Steve has a little home studio behind his house. We holed up there for a week in February and a week in March, 2012 and banged out a lot of material. Craig Finn: This is a song about meeting up with some old friends that aren't such good dudes anymore. Maybe they never were, but you didn't used to mind. 2. Spinners Tad Kubler: This was one of the last songs to be written for the record. The creative process seemed endless, and at this stage it became difficult to trust myself. I could no longer tell what was good and what wasn't and I needed perspective. Somebody that didn't have a horse in the race, a person who I had enough in common with sonically and aesthetically. Joby Ford became that person. Joby from The Bronx is somebody who I'd been writing music with for the last couple years and I came to rely on him pretty heavily to tell me what was good and what still needed work. He called me right away and said, "Dude, great. This is a Hold Steady song. Don't meddle with it anymore." I sent it off to the guys and we started rehearsing it the next day. But it wouldn't become the song it is now until we got to Nashville. Craig Finn: I think there is something beautiful and hopeful about watching someone all dressed up riding the train into the city. 3. The Only Thing Tad Kubler: This is a song we demoed more than almost any other song in the history of this band. But it didn't really change all that much from the first demo I did in my living room with John Agnello in the summer of 2011. Steve and I worked on the bridge for it and eventually settled on this. I think it sounds like Jefferson Airplane. Craig Finn: There is this great part of Infinite Jest (novel by David Foster Wallace) where Hal tells his brother Mario that he has been dreaming of teeth. Mario says it's a pretty common dream. Then Hal says he isn't dreaming about his own teeth, but someone else's teeth. And then the bills start showing up for these teeth. 4. The Ambassador Tad Kubler: This is another song I started at home and we finished in Memphis early 2012. I had this little guitar line that I was kicking around. While we were in Memphis, we wrote a lot of rockers. I felt something a little more dynamic and "vibey" was in order. Initially, this song was in standard tuning, but down in Memphis, Steve had this old Epiphone that was tuned to open E. I really wanted to play this guitar, and it sounded really cool the way it was tuned. So I had to rework part of the song around the tuning. Sometimes it's the journey. Craig Finn: This one might have come together the quickest of any song on the record. The guys wrote it in Memphis and I got the lyrics really quickly after hearing the music. It really didn't change a whole lot after that. 5. On With The Business Tad Kubler: Another song from the sessions in Memphis. One of my favorite songs on the record. There is something absolutely sinister about this song. Some of my absolute favorite Craig Finn moments. Craig Finn: This is one of the many songs on the record that mentions “truth”. In this case it's something “technically true”. During the past few years, I've been really interested with the idea of how manipulating the truth affects our anxiety levels. We have so many ways to lie to each other these days. To tell a pure truth often feels like a relief and can be euphoric. Lies can be so nerve wracking, especially when you have a few to keep straight. 6. Big Cig Tad Kubler: This song came out of some stuff I recorded in the summer of 2011. It changed a lot from the initial recording. Almost more than any other song. Craig Finn: A 120mm length cigarette might be more cost effective, but they always look ridiculous. 7. Wait A While Tad Kubler: I was screwing around with the opening riff for "Life's Been Good" by Joe Walsh and stumbled upon this one. This song came together in less than a few minutes. It felt like one of those moments you only hear about. But it literally happened so fast, nobody was really sure what we'd done. Craig Finn: Early in the sessions for this record, our producer Nick Raskulinecz told me my vocals reminded him of David Lee Roth. I had not heard this before, but I took it as a huge compliment. I love DLR era Van Halen. This song might have a similar sentiment as “Jamie's Crying”, although the whole album is more in the vein of Fair Warning, I think. 8. Runner's High Tad Kubler: This is a song Steve brought in. He sent me a demo of this early 2011. It's got a great swagger. I think this one evolved a little from the initial idea, but not much. It was rock ready. Craig Finn: I wouldn't listen to this song if you are running a marathon. The chorus says “I'm so sick of running”. That said, I've found a runner's high to be one of the safest, cheapest, and most durable highs. 9. Almost Everything Tad Kubler: This is a song that went through some pretty radical changes since it started as a demo in early 2011. We were playing it as a full band and loud and then added this outro to it (this happens a lot). The outro made it about 7 minutes. We continued to flesh it out. and when Nick heard it, he wasn't sure what he thought of it. He definitely said, 'Why is that ending bit on there?' So we ditched that. When we got to Nashville, he had us do a version of the song with Steve and I playing acoustic guitars. We sat across from each other in the main tracking room as Finn sang in the booth. We did that and I then kinda forgot about it. We finished tracking the rest of the record. Did rough mixes of all the songs. The last night of the recording process we were finishing up and Nick pulled up this track and got a mix going. It sounded like a nice chance to breathe after what had turned into a really dense rock record. We had completely stripped this song down to nothing but the absolute essential pieces. I figured we'd go back and retrack things. Instead it was decided to leave things the way they were. Finn wanted to rewrite the lyrics. I liked what he had and his initial performance was cool and laid back. We gave him about 30 minutes and then he went in the control room with Nick. They came out and we went in and listened. I got up and walked out of the control room. I needed a moment. Craig Finn: The line about Franklin TN was a bunch of other Southern cities first – Atlanta, Nashville, Augusta, etc. It had to be somewhere a Waffle House would be. I ended up using Franklin because we recorded there. That said, I never ate at the Waffle House in Franklin, although we drove by it every day. 10. Oaks Tad Kubler: I did the first demo for Oaks about 2 years ago in my apartment. It was comprised of four acoustic guitar tracks that, when I had all the delay and reverb and shit on them, almost started to sound like they were being played in a round. And then the last acoustic track being the melody line that Finn uses throughout the middle 8 of the final version. The impetus for this track started from an obsession with the Radiohead song "Exit Music For A Film." I'm not saying this is even remotely as good, or even resembles that song at this point, but I wanted a song to end this record that was ominous and haunting and gave you this cinematic scope of what was going on. I can honestly say, there was a period of about two years where I believed this would be the last record Craig and I would make together. And I wanted to have a track ready to close out the album that would sound like things weren't ever going to be the same. I worked on the demo for about a year before I handed it off to Finn. When he heard it, he mentioned that it gave him a real seasick feeling. Bobby helps to anchor that a bit and when Finn finally wrote lyrics for it this past summer, the whole thing came together far better than I could have expected. The last chorus, before the outro when Finn sings "Call for a taxi, climb into the backseat…" the first time he sang it, the fucking hair on my arms stood up and it felt like somebody just walked over my grave. I was like, "Holy shit. This really sounds like this is the last time I'm seeing somebody…" Anyone who has a long, sordid history with drugs knows there are times when you would say goodbye to somebody, and as they turned to walk away, you know it's going be the last time you ever see them alive. And that last chorus feels like that - waiting for that phone call. And then the whole thing shifts again with "...and we dream." Craig Finn: I think this is the longest song on any THS record. The shortest song title too, I think.
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Post by dealwiththedealers on Jan 30, 2014 16:29:20 GMT -5
Tad on Oaks:
"I can honestly say, there was a period of about two years where I believed this would be the last record Craig and I would make together. And I wanted to have a track ready to close out the album that would sound like things weren't ever going to be the same."
That gave me chills, and I haven't even heard the song yet... I guess the future really was quite uncertain...
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Post by chinaski on Jan 30, 2014 16:29:44 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. Really interesting for a few reasons.
The difference in depth between the two explanations of Oaks made me laugh.
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Post by jwd on Jan 30, 2014 16:32:34 GMT -5
I can honestly say, there was a period of about two years where I believed this would be the last record Craig and I would make together. And I wanted to have a track ready to close out the album that would sound like things weren't ever going to be the same. And hopefully that belief is gone!!!!
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Post by muzzleofbees on Jan 30, 2014 16:36:16 GMT -5
; I can honestly say, there was a period of about two years where I believed this would be the last record Craig and I would make together. And I wanted to have a track ready to close out the album that would sound like things weren't ever going to be the same. I worked on the demo for about a year before I handed it off to Finn. When he heard it, he mentioned that it gave him a real seasick feeling. Bobby helps to anchor that a bit and when Finn finally wrote lyrics for it this past summer, the whole thing came together far better than I could have expected. The last chorus, before the outro when Finn sings "Call for a taxi, climb into the backseat…" the first time he sang it, the fucking hair on my arms stood up and it felt like somebody just walked over my grave. I was like, "Holy shit. This really sounds like this is the last time I'm seeing somebody…" Wow. This made me curious and sad. It's both beautiful and frightening. And - along with the rest of the article - makes me really excited.
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Post by mcstevepants on Jan 30, 2014 16:47:52 GMT -5
Adding to the 'whoa' about Oaks.
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Post by bigontheinside on Jan 30, 2014 17:07:35 GMT -5
I might have to stop visiting this forum, I'm getting far too excited for something which is two months away.
If Oaks is as good as it sounds, it'll be a contender for my favourite Hold Steady song.
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Post by Eric on Jan 30, 2014 17:15:04 GMT -5
2 months is too long.
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Post by doctoracula on Jan 30, 2014 21:50:50 GMT -5
Adding to the 'whoa' about Oaks. yup. goddamn.
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Post by nowah on Jan 30, 2014 22:02:48 GMT -5
Tad seems so over the moon about this new album, based on that and the interviews in those papers and the couple of posts he's made on the boards. It seems like an excitement that wasn't there for Heaven Is Whenever. I love it. I'll echo the woahs and hopes that this isn't the last Finn/Kubler record. I also loved "I think there is something beautiful and hopeful about watching someone all dressed up riding the train into the city."
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Post by parock on Jan 30, 2014 23:09:35 GMT -5
Good stuff from Koob. Just reading that got me pumped for this album. They sound invigorated and ready to climb Mt. Everest. This bodes well.
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Post by 530folkmass on Jan 30, 2014 23:17:59 GMT -5
Tad seems so over the moon about this new album, based on that and the interviews in those papers and the couple of posts he's made on the boards. It seems like an excitement that wasn't there for Heaven Is Whenever. I love it. I'll echo the woahs and hopes that this isn't the last Finn/Kubler record. I also loved "I think there is something beautiful and hopeful about watching someone all dressed up riding the train into the city." Agreed on Koob - love his enthusiasm on this. Also love the way it all sounds. Especially striking are the guitars on the Teeth Dreams trailer. Highly concerned about the last Finn/Kubler record. I really want nights of THS to go on forever. Spinners was worth waiting through Mumford and Sons + that other tune for.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Jan 31, 2014 2:00:38 GMT -5
I had a feeling that evertyhing was happening a bit early, and a little too soon. Went back to the months before Heaven Is Whenever was released. Some of the dates might not be 100% accurate, it's based on the date I wrote about the happings on a norwegian message board. Still, it's interesting to compare - seems like the build up till HiW went on for a couple of months as well.
Today, we are 53 days away from the official Teeth Dreams release.
23rd february - Name of album and track list was released - 73 days before release 23rd febryary - First european tour dates - 73 days before release 15th march - Cover art released - 49 days before release 23rd march - First song (Hurricane J) premiere on internet - 41 days before release 29th march - Second song (Rock Problems) premiere on internet - 35 days before release 2nd april - Third song (The Weekenders) premiere on internet - 31 days before release 9th april - Fourth song (Barely Breathing) premiere on internet - 24 days before release 17th april - Heaven Is Whenever Ltd. Edition released on Record Store Day - 17 days before release 19th april - The entire album is up on stream at NPR.org - 15 days before release
Don't know if this has any value to anyone, and things will be done differently this time around (we allready got an album title, a cover, a song and pre orders), but I think it's a bit interesting as a mirror to the build up and momentum for this record.
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Post by dealwiththedealers on Jan 31, 2014 2:41:48 GMT -5
Highly concerned about the last Finn/Kubler record. I really want nights of THS to go on forever. My guess is that this was just a product of the HiW tour tension and Craig going off and doing his own thing solo for a while. It seems things were pretty uncertain during that period, and that Oaks was a natural reaction to that uncertainty. But from what we've heard of the creative process and recording sessions for Teeth Dreams, I'd be very surprised if this is THS' last record. They're all legitimately stoked about this record... and hey, sometimes you gotta go through shit to realize how great what you've got really is.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Jan 31, 2014 3:39:17 GMT -5
My guess is that this was just a product of the HiW tour tension and Craig going off and doing his own thing solo for a while. It seems things were pretty uncertain during that period, and that Oaks was a natural reaction to that uncertainty. But from what we've heard of the creative process and recording sessions for Teeth Dreams, I'd be very surprised if this is THS' last record. They're all legitimately stoked about this record... and hey, sometimes you gotta go through shit to realize how great what you've got really is. That's my impression as well. And I also have a feeling that they want to make up for the post-Stay Positive-momentum, where they maybe didn't reach their full potential, attention wise. I think they want to make 2014 a really big year, a ground to build something even bigger. And if that's how it is, this is a really exciting time!
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Post by chinaski on Jan 31, 2014 3:47:03 GMT -5
It definitely feels that way. It doesn't just feel like another album release in a line of six album releases, it kind of feels like a new push. Hopefully that momentum and enthusiasm will keep the band going for a good while yet.
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Post by lukeindetroit on Jan 31, 2014 14:54:29 GMT -5
So I think there's two questions here really
1. Do we think this is the last THS record (at least THS in current form)?
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2. Should it be?
As much as I love this band and would like to be able to listen to new content from them for the rest of my life, I also know that sometimes pushing past a logical conclusion is bad. For example, my favorite band besides THS is TV on the Radio. I hope they never make another album.
That being said, if anyone had the ability to stay relevant, creative, and hard rocking into their 50's it's Craig and Tad. I'd like to see them try.
I'll also add that, being new to this forum, I don't really get all the hate for HiW. I know there were some softer songs on their, but lyrically, I found it as deep, meaningful, and hopeful as any rock record I've ever heard
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Post by jz on Jan 31, 2014 16:41:45 GMT -5
So I think there's two questions here really 1. Do we think this is the last THS record (at least THS in current form)? and 2. Should it be? As much as I love this band and would like to be able to listen to new content from them for the rest of my life, I also know that sometimes pushing past a logical conclusion is bad. For example, my favorite band besides THS is TV on the Radio. I hope they never make another album. That being said, if anyone had the ability to stay relevant, creative, and hard rocking into their 50's it's Craig and Tad. I'd like to see them try. I'll also add that, being new to this forum, I don't really get all the hate for HiW. I know there were some softer songs on their, but lyrically, I found it as deep, meaningful, and hopeful as any rock record I've ever heard I don't think many people here actively disliked HiW. In fact, I'd say that people really liked the songs, just the album itself sounded a little strange (note that a lot of people love the songs when they're played live). So it's more of the recordings on HiW rather than the material. Also, it competes against AKM, SS, Boys and Girls, and Stay Positive (that's tough) and sonically took a pretty sharp turn away from them, so I think it was jarring for many's expectations.
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Post by dealwiththedealers on Jan 31, 2014 17:02:16 GMT -5
I love the HiW songs, but was disappointed by the lackluster production.
I don't think we can say if this will be THS' last record until we hear it, and see how the touring goes, etc. But from what we've heard, it sure as hell doesn't sound like they're running out of ideas. Also a lot of these warmup shows have sold out or are close, so it also doesn't seem like people are losing interest...
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Post by lukeindetroit on Jan 31, 2014 18:27:52 GMT -5
I don't think many people here actively disliked HiW. In fact, I'd say that people really liked the songs, just the album itself sounded a little strange (note that a lot of people love the songs when they're played live). So it's more of the recordings on HiW rather than the material. Also, it competes against AKM, SS, Boys and Girls, and Stay Positive (that's tough) and sonically took a pretty sharp turn away from them, so I think it was jarring for many's expectations. Yea, fair enough. I'm not saying it's their best album, personally, Separation Sunday is my favorite, and I understand the production criticism for sure, but I do think the song writing on HiW is great. Good news is, looking at that list, there's not a mediocre album so...looks good for Teeth Dreams!
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