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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 11, 2011 13:41:52 GMT -5
It's a decent song with meh lyrics that got reengineered and remixed for a mainstream audience. Live it sounded nice, this mix is slower, with less crunch, and it just sounds kinda dull.
I expected better.
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Post by Jersey on Jan 12, 2011 18:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by 99rockproblems on Jan 13, 2011 0:17:17 GMT -5
This song sucks. Just sayin'.
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Post by chloeseemedtiredlastnight on Jan 13, 2011 0:33:10 GMT -5
I finally got around to listening to the full length version, and I like it more than the iTunes preview. As a whole song it works better.
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 13, 2011 14:13:56 GMT -5
I listened tone preview six times. The full song four times (twice through my stereo system, twice via headphones). I still don't like it. Theres only one good lyric.
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Post by cre618 on Jan 13, 2011 14:18:38 GMT -5
Not sure about all of the negativity.
I like it for what it is.
It's a throwaway song for a mediocre movie that will be on DVD in the blink of an eye.
At least they didn't waste "Going on a Hike" or "Separate Vacations" on this sountrack.
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Post by motörben on Jan 13, 2011 14:28:54 GMT -5
I vote to ban use of 'meh' on this messageboard or anywhere.
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Post by esper on Jan 13, 2011 14:56:34 GMT -5
might be the first time I've heard a Steady song and had no interest in ever hearing it again
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Post by doctoracula on Jan 13, 2011 15:34:37 GMT -5
song previews are the absolute worst i dont want to hear 1/4 of a song. that's no way to judge if something's good or not. especially a shitty quality, streaming 1/4 of a song
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Post by bloodystereos on Jan 13, 2011 16:00:57 GMT -5
I vote to ban use of 'meh' on this messageboard or anywhere. I will second that.
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 13, 2011 16:47:13 GMT -5
song previews are the absolute worst i dont want to hear 1/4 of a song. that's no way to judge if something's good or not. especially a shitty quality, streaming 1/4 of a song iTunes streams at pretty high quality if your internet can handle it, and they do 90 seconds of a song. for a three minute song, that's half of it (and I do believe Just Sayin' is three minutes).
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Post by doctoracula on Jan 13, 2011 17:14:59 GMT -5
even half of a song is still bullshit! great songs are more than just the sum of their parts there's no sense of built tension, slight differences in parts that accentuate the rest, etc etc but that's cool if the stream is decent quality
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 20:04:34 GMT -5
Paul Westerberg did the soundtrack to one of those Dreamworks animated things. Open Season, i think
just sayin
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Post by clarence5ybr on Jan 14, 2011 8:32:59 GMT -5
even half of a song is still bullshit! great songs are more than just the sum of their parts there's no sense of built tension, slight differences in parts that accentuate the rest, etc etc Especially true for a many of THS's songs where the last part of the song is a major shift from the first part (although this was more the case on early albums and is less so on the more recent albums). For example, if you only heard the first half of Barfruit Blues, you're really missing out. The first 2/3 of the song is great, but the shift at the end really helps to make the song.
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Post by doctoracula on Jan 14, 2011 20:17:40 GMT -5
checked this song out today and i love it i really like how it sounds rough, almost like a demo neat song, not one of their best, but a cool one-off that makes me smile
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Post by marshal28 on Jan 16, 2011 17:29:32 GMT -5
Paul Westerberg did the soundtrack to one of those Dreamworks animated things. Open Season, i think just sayin That soundtrack rips.
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Post by delboydrums on Jan 16, 2011 18:47:32 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to somewhere I can hear this new song?
Thanks
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 16, 2011 20:53:52 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to somewhere I can hear this new song? Thanks You can purchase it on iTunes with the rest of the album from the movie. That is, I believe, the only legal way to attain it (other than buying a CD).
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Post by schlitsz on Jan 21, 2011 11:56:53 GMT -5
I bought the soundtrack the other day. "Just Saying" is alright for what it is. It is lacking in the clever lyrics department, though. But it's an OK song. Not great, not crap, but OK. I'm sure it sounds a lot better live, as others have said.
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 21, 2011 12:56:22 GMT -5
I bought the soundtrack the other day. "Just Saying" is alright for what it is. It is lacking in the clever lyrics department, though. But it's an OK song. Not great, not crap, but OK. I'm sure it sounds a lot better live, as others have said. Now that it's been released I'll see if I can clean up what I have a little and post it. Just a couple bits I took on my iPhone, at first outside the venue during the soundcheck, then inside (which sounds really bad, it overloaded the mic) when a security guy I was chatting with walked me in and told me to stand in the back and act natural.
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Post by bigontheinside on Jan 21, 2011 14:49:23 GMT -5
I gotsed the full version and I still like it! I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's nothing special, but it's enjoyable. I'm glad it's not on an album, but I'd say it's on par with Touchless. I agree it's not their best of course, though.
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Post by kojiroshinkara on Jan 21, 2011 19:03:10 GMT -5
What I dont understand is this. Bands that have all these finished "outtakes" that they let sit around or release piecemeal, why do they not just take a bunch of them and release them digitally so their fans can hear them? Whats the WORST that can happen? Someone says it sucks? How many people said HIW sucked? So how bad can the outtakes be. The musicians are just people. They arent infallible or geniuses, so what they leave off might be better than what they put on. Let the consumer decide. I bought the whole Lifter Puller catalog just because it was available. What I dont like I wont listen to. But a song thats complete and in the can, what fucking good is it doing anyone there? A lot of bands *do* that actually. They call them B-side collections and release them when they feel like it. There are probably at least enough B-sides to fill a double LP no problem, but when is the right release time? You don't want to rush albums, out, and you don't want to release a collection too soon after an album is released, because it can damage profits and sales. This year would probably be good. I've heard rumor they won't be releasing an album, so maybe they'll release a collection mid to late year, and then release another album summer next year. Keep in mind, they *did* just release that "Live in SoHo" recording on iTunes, so a release of a b-sides collection would be naturally delayed to allow spotlight to shine on that. It's not a matter of they want to keep stuff secret. It's a matter of profitability and marketing.
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Post by davebudbainbo on Jan 22, 2011 9:22:33 GMT -5
I dunno. I've been going back to this song quite a few times this morning (online stream @ tumblr that's prolly not so legal). Good music and lyrics as usual. If anything, Craig's "singing" seems a little phoned in. I can certainly imagine it being a bit more intense, but I'd happily put it on a mix CD for an uninitiated friend. I certainly think it'd stand up, maybe even stand out. I find my feet and torso moving as I sit here at the 'puter.
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Post by motörben on Jan 22, 2011 17:09:17 GMT -5
I am quite familiar with "b sides" collections. I would not put myself in the novice category when It comes to musical collecting. I am "just sayin" BOOM! Back of the net.
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Post by 99rockproblems on Jan 22, 2011 17:48:07 GMT -5
A lot of bands *do* that actually. They call them B-side collections and release them when they feel like it. There are probably at least enough B-sides to fill a double LP no problem, but when is the right release time? You don't want to rush albums, out, and you don't want to release a collection too soon after an album is released, because it can damage profits and sales. This year would probably be good. I've heard rumor they won't be releasing an album, so maybe they'll release a collection mid to late year, and then release another album summer next year. Keep in mind, they *did* just release that "Live in SoHo" recording on iTunes, so a release of a b-sides collection would be naturally delayed to allow spotlight to shine on that. It's not a matter of they want to keep stuff secret. It's a matter of profitability and marketing. I am quite familiar with "b sides" collections. I would not put myself in the novice category when It comes to musical collecting. I am "just sayin" why do they consistently release these little ditties on things like this soundtrack. Note you have to buy the entire soundtrack to get this one song. My feeling is that if you have taken the time to record the little fucker, why not just release it as a single on Itunes? Same goes for shit like Tasteless or Ascension Blues or any "b-side" by any band. The name B side comes from when bands DID release singles and you could actually get the "b-Side" without purchasing the whole album. To me this just encourages piracy. If I can get it another way without buying the whole damn sountrack I will. On the other hand if it was available digitally or on a vinyl 7 inch, I'd buy it in a minute. (more so if it was digital...they could even charge 2 bucks). As for the song itself, I like it. Now, I won't call you out on being a novice when it comes to music collecting, that would just be rude (especially since I know I collect more music than you, it would just be condescending at that point). But from what I've read of your two posts in this thread, I've come to the conclusion that you know absolutely nothing about the music industry and what it takes to make money as a band today. You're making assumptions and cutting corners. "Just Saying" was written and recorded FOR the soundtrack, it wasn't a b-side that was sitting around that they sold to Howard Shore for his film. The whole idea of having a song on a soundtrack spot is so that you can actually have some exposure both from the film's audiences and from the people who will either download the soundtrack or purchase it legally. Had they released "Just Saying" as a one-off single on iTunes, they wouldn't be getting any exposure outside of their own fan base. They aren't cutting albums in the studio and busting ass to get their music out to JUST the fans they already have; ideally they would like to be making even more new fans. Surely you want this band to make money and be successful for making such great music, don't you? Do you know why the band cut those three bonus tracks for Stay Positive? Because the album leaked something like two months in advance. They had to give both their fans and new potential fans an actual REASON to purchase the album. Adding "Adderall" to the vinyl tracklisting and changing the sequencing was for this same purpose. You can't expect a band to simply make music "for their fans," because then there wouldn't be any outside exposure in the first place. There wouldn't be a publicist who could pitch and send the new album to their friends that work at Rolling Stone and Pitchfork in order to hopefully get a glowing review that will entice new fans to check out the album, you wouldn't have interviews being set up in Daily and Weekly newspapers in order to help promote concerts. You'd just have a stagnant band that is trying to make it big on word-of-mouth alone, and as much as you may WANT to believe that's what the Hold Steady did to reach their level of success, you'll be sadly mistaken. Somebody was paid to get copies of Separation Sunday to the press so it could get rave reviews so that hopefully you would read a review or see a blog post or hear from a friend about this "great rock band" that you discovered one day. You didn't just wake up a Hold Steady fan one day; you had to discover them at some point. So please, don't complain about bands that are actually doing what they can to make some damn money in an industry that is falling apart at the seams (I know people at Interscope and Universal who were fired just yesterday, the third January in a row that extreme cutbacks have been made). Do you think the band cut an iTunes exclusive session for us, the old fans? Not entirely; there's certainly something VERY enticing about seeing your band featured on the iTunes store homepage for a week! Please, think about what you're ASKING from the band and what the band needs to survive as a working entity in this sink-or-swim business that they're in. It costs money to make music, it costs money to promote music, and maybe instead of complaining about the track being "album only" on a movie soundtrack you can be grateful that the band has a label and publicists good enough to help keep this band afloat by getting them some sort of featured spot on something like this so they can make one new fan for every time you illegally download one of their tracks. Wake up, man. They aren't doing this for free, and they aren't doing this only for you.
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