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Post by campfirewood1980 on Mar 20, 2009 12:28:30 GMT -5
Mike, I don't think you got what I was driving at.
I certainly didn't mean that this band made the other lousy ones disappear- I'm from the state that gave the world Hinder (you're welcome, everyone), so I know there are still plenty of lousy bands out there- but, rather, that the appearance of a band of good quality who makes others feel that, they, too, can be a part of something can go a long way toward clearing away the disaffected, "hipper-than-thou" attitude that shows up every so often.
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Post by campfirewood1980 on Mar 20, 2009 12:33:56 GMT -5
that was definitely true in their early psych-noise days, but i think a lips show now is completely different to a butthole surfers show! they definitely owe a huge debt to the sensory-overload style of bs gigs, but i think they've taken that idea and run a long way with it ten years ago.
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Post by mike on Mar 20, 2009 12:57:01 GMT -5
Mike, I don't think you got what I was driving at. I certainly didn't mean that this band made the other lousy ones disappear- I'm from the state that gave the world Hinder (you're welcome, everyone), so I know there are still plenty of lousy bands out there- but, rather, that the appearance of a band of good quality who makes others feel that, they, too, can be a part of something can go a long way toward clearing away the disaffected, "hipper-than-thou" attitude that shows up every so often. yeah, but there'll always be bands that make people feel that way. i'm not saying they don't touch people personally and make them feel better about the music scene and life in general, but that's what a good band should do, you know? i think there's a big leap from moving people individually to changing things collectively. before ths turned up, there were other bands every now and again who made me go, "wow! this is what live music can do!", but i wouldn't say any of those bands have made a big change to live music (except possibly at the drive-in, but the main change they brought about was that more people started making less comprehensible music and trying less hard to play it well).
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Post by mike on Mar 20, 2009 12:59:56 GMT -5
that was definitely true in their early psych-noise days, but i think a lips show now is completely different to a butthole surfers show! they definitely owe a huge debt to the sensory-overload style of bs gigs, but i think they've taken that idea and run a long way with it ten years ago. if you agree that they've been nothing like the butthole surfers for a decade then why did you put so much weight on what that self-serving asshole haynes had to say about it?
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Post by campfirewood1980 on Mar 20, 2009 15:13:01 GMT -5
Sorry 'bout that... sometimes jokes at the Lips' expense are just too easy. I expect better from them than what I've been seeing/hearing- the tours for Yoshimi and Mystics had setlists that were virtually identical and contained none of the surprise of the shows from the Soft Bulletin era. The Lips aren't responsible for much change that I've seen beyond becoming Oklahoma City's pet weirdoes- Wayne Coyne is now doing commercials with our state's governor promoting energy efficiency.
(Fun/weird anecdote: I have a couple of friends involved in the Academy of Contemporary Music's venture with the University of Central Oklahoma... one of them had lunch with Coyne the other day and said that WC spent virtually the entire time muttering the lyrics to "Woomp! There It Is.")
And, though I do not care much for Gibby Haynes at all, there is a strong argument for the Surfers' homemade freakshow being the real forerunner here- Our Band Could Be Your Life details how much of the band's earnings early on went directly into building stage props and special effects of the order that the Lips are now feted for using.
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Post by mike on Mar 21, 2009 5:31:57 GMT -5
no need to apologise. i just felt obliged to get a dig in at gibby "i swear i never gave dan johnston the acid" haynes because i think he's an dick. what i'd say is that the flaming lips have probably had a similar influence on the live scene to the hold steady: very little besides the fact that they go out every night and make people feel good and bring a bit of joy and hope and positivity to people's lives, like so many of their contemporaries and so many bands before them. it's a grand tradition.
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