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Post by manish on Feb 12, 2009 19:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 19:32:28 GMT -5
"Listening today, these bands seem naively optimistic, with most of their songs consisting of earnestly shouted slogans about nuclear war, racism and drug addiction. Yet what excited me most was their lyrical praise of "unity", seemingly a hardcore utopia that was within our reach if only we could attain the personal and political standards these groups preached. They promoted the idea of a "scene", a group of like-minded hardcore enthusiasts working together to put on shows, put out fanzines, fight racism, and host vegan bake sales to benefit victims of US foreign policy in Central America. For those of us who didn't fit easily into the rigid cliques of high school, the opportunity to belong somewhere was an awesome feeling."
man i hate overtly political music and vegan bakesales (tho not vegans) and hippies and local lefties and most of the hardcore i've tried to listen to has bored/annoyed me but this is exactly what i feel about the THS shows i've been to... i'm trying to create that feeling of unity 'cause i don't belong, and i felt it last week
the local scene is focused on alot of music that is the oppisite of that unity - its hard to feel included when everybody is trying to out-Vice Magazine each other
tho the scene is 'Unified' in the sense that a post-hardcore band like Baseball (or whatever they are) are supporting Dan Deacon and someone might be in a noise band and a twee-pop band
but wow i didn't realize how autobiographical the music was... i thought the stabbing was dramatic liscene
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Feb 13, 2009 4:50:17 GMT -5
I was struck by this piece being the full explanation for the song Stay Positive. Pretty well everything in that song is expanded upon here.
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Post by mike on Feb 13, 2009 6:50:42 GMT -5
that made for a really good read, but i didn't like this line: "Punk rock isn't underground any more - it's big business, accompanied by corporate sponsorship of festival tours."
i just don't think it's correct.
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Post by manish on Feb 13, 2009 7:00:09 GMT -5
that made for a really good read, but i didn't like this line: "Punk rock isn't underground any more - it's big business, accompanied by corporate sponsorship of festival tours." i just don't think it's correct. really? www.warpedtour.com/warpedtour/index.asp |
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Post by mike on Feb 13, 2009 7:13:23 GMT -5
there are bands who call themselves punk who do that kind of thing, sure, but that's not punk rock.
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Post by manish on Feb 13, 2009 7:42:00 GMT -5
ah, the eternal 'what is punk?' debate!
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Post by mike on Feb 13, 2009 7:50:19 GMT -5
oh god, you're right, what have i done?!
i maintain that punk is there as a grassroots alternative to the mainstream, so once it goes mainstream it's not punk. but then i do have tendencies to go a bit militantly DIY when it comes to my punk.
not that i really have much of a problem with bands going mainstream (i still go to see the hold steady, don't i?), it's just that if you pander to the industry then you won't be credible as a punk. it's just the nature of things.
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Post by superfan99 on Feb 13, 2009 9:07:33 GMT -5
I was struck by this piece being the full explanation for the song Stay Positive. Pretty well everything in that song is expanded upon here. agree. great read too! |
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Post by goldenfoot on Feb 13, 2009 9:30:41 GMT -5
Interesting read. I like his take on hitting your twenties and leaving a lot of that stuff behind.
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Post by heidivandernice, nice on Feb 13, 2009 9:54:53 GMT -5
chunklet just did a piece on the zero boys, inspiring me to listen - believe the hype.
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Post by stephanie on Feb 13, 2009 10:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by meoskop on Feb 13, 2009 10:45:16 GMT -5
"While I was not tough enough for the pit,"
And that is why we love the dude. The ultimate punk is one who who says 'Here's who I am.' without needing to frame it.
Also great about this article - I'm a bit older than CF but he says what I recall as true - it wasn't about violence and hate, it was about anger and helplessness - and then the next wave came in and it changed almost overnight. I'm gonna go listen to Poison 13 for awhile.
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Post by lilhan on Feb 14, 2009 7:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by jwd on Feb 14, 2009 11:24:44 GMT -5
I remember the very subtle seismic shift in hardcore like an almost overnight vibe change. I saw Minor Threat in '85 and it was the roughest pit I've ever experienced. Broken noses, etc. But the vibe was very positive and people helped you off the floor so you could punch them back and rage. Same with DK in '86. Then the next show I went to was a while later and these skinheads were kicking a homeless guy and we had to intervene. Things had changed. CF hits the feeling perfectly in "Joke About Jamaica". And this article expands it nicely.
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Post by meoskop on Feb 14, 2009 17:05:43 GMT -5
Exactly. And we had sections in the pits for us chicks from 80 - 85, then they were gone and not even a large crew of bikers was enough - suddenly girls had 'no place' in the pit and it stayed that way until the mid 90's - where it became a show by show thing. Like this 92-ish Iggy show where they wanted to pull me out of the pit before the show even started - 3 different bouncers - luckily I knew part of the club crew and they were like, no, let her hang.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 5:13:45 GMT -5
and its come full circle... since last sunday i wasn't tough enough for the pit Craig's band was generating
hardcore's kinda scary... i prefer the poppier punk. and when has punk not been corporate?
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Post by john k on Feb 15, 2009 5:20:56 GMT -5
in the 80s not many punk/hardcore bands played in dublin but when they did it always meant violence. violent mosh pits, blood all over the floor and at a gang green show, members of the band being attacked with a broken bottle. it didnt stop me going but i definitely stayed away from the front of the stage. plus the bouncers were, and still are pricks
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Post by selbyandgriggs on Feb 15, 2009 9:52:19 GMT -5
oh god, you're right, what have i done?! i maintain that punk is there as a grassroots alternative to the mainstream, so once it goes mainstream it's not punk. but then i do have tendencies to go a bit militantly DIY when it comes to my punk. not that i really have much of a problem with bands going mainstream (i still go to see the hold steady, don't i?), it's just that if you pander to the industry then you won't be credible as a punk. it's just the nature of things. D4 is really the perfect example... They are totally DIY --- they own the bar, the venue, AND make the music, and have purposefully steered clear of all of the major label stuff. I think they might be a pretty giant band if they decided to go down that road. (yes, avoiding the words "sell out" ... I just can't even say that about them, even in a theoretical! they are just too perfect!) |
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Post by selbyandgriggs on Feb 15, 2009 9:57:43 GMT -5
man i hate overtly political music and vegan bakesales (tho not vegans) and hippies and local lefties but wow i didn't realize how autobiographical the music was... i thought the stabbing was dramatic liscene (jesus you guys! how many times have I said on this board that a lot of the stuff from the songs really happened? The bakesales too, pretty much any given weekend you could go to some benefit or other against School of the Americas... somehow somebody here in MPLS was really worked up about all of the stuff happening in Central America and was really organized about it, and we had the Emma Center, an actual cooperative dedicated to furthering anarchist politics (so funny to me now, organizing the anarchists)...) |
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Post by mike on Feb 15, 2009 10:36:20 GMT -5
what's weird is that we have the exact same things going on in leeds at the moment, even down to the benefits for central america. the punk scene is very much run by the punks for the punks, to the point where it can actually be quite exclusive and if you don't know the right people you just wouldn't know the shows were happening. it's not elitist exactly, it's just that some of the concerts (and what goes on at them) aren't exactly all legal so you've got to be pretty careful about who you invite or it can get spoiled for everybody. gigs are often at squats or people's houses but for bigger touring bands and when we don't want to be so cloak-and-dagger about things there's plenty of great venues that can be booked cheap, too, including this place: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1in12_Clubthe diy and mainstream scenes almost never converge, because diy bands tend not to play for promoters who are trying to make a profit, and once you've been around it for a while you're always pretty aware at mainstream gigs of being overcharged for everything and herded like cattle. it's funny, because i remember in an interview once craig said something about how he was the punkest square kid and the squarest punk kid depending on where he was, and that's something i can really, really identify with. |
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Post by essbee on Feb 15, 2009 10:53:26 GMT -5
(so funny to me now, organizing the anarchists)...) I've actually never met anyone more attached to rules and protocols than anarchists. It makes me giggle*. *Unlike the cat in Mike's signature, who freaks me the fuck out. |
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Post by emily on Feb 15, 2009 10:53:36 GMT -5
I'm going to interrupt the intelligent conversation to say that mike's video signature thing made me laugh embarrassingly loud.
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Post by mike on Feb 15, 2009 11:04:53 GMT -5
(so funny to me now, organizing the anarchists)...) I've actually never met anyone more attached to rules and protocols than anarchists. It makes me giggle*. *Unlike the cat in Mike's signature, who freaks me the fuck out. we have an anarchist library. no shit. p.s. www.killoggs.com/getdata.php?image_id=13805 |
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Post by essbee on Feb 15, 2009 11:07:32 GMT -5
How do I get borrowing privileges? |
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