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Post by gushingblood on Dec 5, 2008 17:05:01 GMT -5
Just thought I would move the discussion over here (the one about rich kids playing punk, and a degenerate band who are hailed as "best band of the 90s"
I find that when you are young your music taste is not so good, and then you mature, and it matures with you.
EG:
13 year old me: Blink, Nirvana, Kaiser Chiefs, Offspring, Foo Fighters
16 year old me: THS, Springsteen, Clash, Cure, Pixies, Beatles
A clear difference between the standard of the bands if you ask me.
Yet some people don't mature, and their favourite band stays as Nirvana, but if you count aside their Unplugged record and have a gander at the other albums they are in no way as prestigious as seen through a younger persons eyes.
Not really sure what my point is, but it is roughly:
Nirvana are overrated as fuck
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Post by toastie on Dec 5, 2008 17:12:33 GMT -5
They are often claimed with creating grunge and such, yet grunge was around way before they were (stupid, music no-nothings)
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Post by 212margarita on Dec 5, 2008 17:16:31 GMT -5
i will not disagree that Nirvana is overrated, but In Utero is an awesome record. There will always be a special place in my heart for Nirvana though...they got huge at about the same time i started to get really obsessive about music, so there are a ton of great memories i have that involve Nirvana.
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Post by Gotti on Dec 5, 2008 17:21:59 GMT -5
I think Nirvana were a good band, but not a great one. I think I share the same feelings as WD, as athough Nirvana themselves were not too blame, they were the band that the masses latched onto, which had the knock on effect of making other bands of that ilk popular, thus brought the whole Alternative/Punk scene out of the underground and thus the gigs and the clubs were ruined by townie knobheads.
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Post by JonnyJay on Dec 5, 2008 17:34:20 GMT -5
I went through this as well. Love Nirvana at age 12, see "Smells Like Teen Spirit" pop up on all sorts of BEST SONGS OF ALL TIME list, realize they aren't THAT great, climb up on my high horse and declare them overrated.
However, I've recently been revisiting them. Everytime I go over to my friends house to chug brews, we always seem to end up watching "Nirvana! Live! Tonight! Sold Out" on VHS. And I've concluded that Nirvana were a great fucking band, espescially in concert. I would give anything to have seen them live. How they got such a big sound out of such a simple formula is actually quite remarkable.
I hear alot of people saying "They just ripped off Pixies/Mudhoney/Sonic Youth/any other influential 80s alt band". But, just like our beloved Hold Steady, Nirvana were connoiseurs of music, absorbing all they could. They were an amalgamation of everything they loved listening to. Kurt Cobain seemed to have approached it as a fan of music first.
Also, I never realized it before, but KC was one hell of a singer.
So yeah, Nirvana = not overrated, but in actuality, quite awesome
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Post by parock on Dec 5, 2008 20:35:40 GMT -5
Fuck y'all. I'll crank Aneurysm any day of the week.
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Post by stephanie on Dec 5, 2008 20:41:38 GMT -5
Fuck y'all. I'll crank Aneurysm any day of the week. <3 <3 <3 |
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Post by meoskop on Dec 5, 2008 23:04:38 GMT -5
I find that when you are young your music taste is not so good, and then you mature, and it matures with you. EG: 13 year old me: Blink, Nirvana, Kaiser Chiefs, Offspring, Foo Fighters 16 year old me: THS, Springsteen, Clash, Cure, Pixies, Beatles A clear difference between the standard of the bands if you ask me. Nirvana are overrated as fuck Fuck is only overrated if you're doing it wrong. Now the Pixies define overrated, good as elements of them may be. The difference I see is the propensity to say "What I like now is GOOD and what I liked then was CRAP" or some variation. With two exceptions, all of your bands are excellent, leaving several thousand more excellent bands to discover. Live, Nirvana was transcendent. Very, very few artists at the time could touch them. While we don't know if they would have gone to greater things without Cobain's self destruction or not, it's obvious there was a lot of untapped talent left on the table just from what his band mates did next. Now the Doors - they are overrated. But Nirvana? No. One of the finest bands of their era and well worth consideration. I'm glad they don't speak to you anymore - there's a lot of pain in their music. You would never, imo, ever see Cobain throw his arms out and declare that there was a jot of joy in - well - anywhere. |
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Post by motörben on Dec 5, 2008 23:34:47 GMT -5
13 year old me: Blink, Nirvana, Kaiser Chiefs, Offspring, Foo Fighters 16 year old me: THS, Springsteen, Clash, Cure, Pixies, Beatles Were you 13 in 1999, 1991, 2004, 1996 and 1997?! Overrated does not mean not awesome. |
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Post by Mahoney on Dec 5, 2008 23:53:35 GMT -5
I find that when you are young your music taste is not so good, and then you mature, and it matures with you. EG: 13 year old me: Blink, Nirvana, Kaiser Chiefs, Offspring, Foo Fighters 16 year old me: THS, Springsteen, Clash, Cure, Pixies, Beatles A clear difference between the standard of the bands if you ask me. Nirvana are overrated as fuck Fuck is only overrated if you're doing it wrong. Now the Pixies define overrated, good as elements of them may be. i don't really know if the pixies can even qualify as overrated. i think they might have had one radio hit. sure, people talk them up a bunch, but that's probably how they feel about them. the doors on the other hand, a band with plenty of acclaim is overrated. at least looking at it now. i don't know how groundbreaking it was to hear jim coming through the radio for the first time in the 60's. and ya dude, fucking is not overrated a bit. |
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Post by Juda5cow on Dec 6, 2008 4:12:49 GMT -5
Having been lucky enough (or geriatric enough for some of you young’uns out there  to have been going to gigs when the ‘grunge phenomena’ was breaking I can say I feel really privileged to have seen the likes of Nirvana, Mudhoney, Soundgarden et al in small venues and from those heady years I’ve got some brilliant memories. How often these days do you see show security helping people onto the stage so they can stage dive? The last time I saw Nirvana at the Astoria was for In Utero, not too long before Kurt topped himself (AFAIK – UK tour, then into Europe, Rohypnol OD in Italy, then back to the US for a the finale..), timeline aside, it was a performance where he was clearly bored with the whole spectacle, which was such a shame when you consider the raw energy and chaos which surrounded gigs I’d seen for Bleach and Nevermind. Were Nirvana overrated? No – they were a fantastic live band with excellent studio material to back it up, it’s why Negative Creep is still on my iPod. <edit> Just finished listening to Nevermind at an unhealthy volume for the workplace. I am happy to report it's still box fresh. |
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 6, 2008 7:25:07 GMT -5
The Doors are gods.
First band to pioneer the keyboard as the main instrument.
Aside from Soft Parade their back catalogue is super.
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Post by motörben on Dec 6, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -5
Fair game Manzarek's pretty good. But gods? Take it easy!
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 6, 2008 9:43:49 GMT -5
I've been overusing the word God today.
They were my favourite band till I discovered THS.
Those epic album closers cannot be matched.
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Post by toastie on Dec 6, 2008 9:46:31 GMT -5
Fair game Manzarek's pretty good. But gods? Take it easy! He was the only talented one. Morison was a drunken, drug taking crap writer who most probably plagarised all his "own" words. |
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Post by lilhan on Dec 6, 2008 9:49:06 GMT -5
what is the 'almost famous' line when lester bangs is talking about the doors?
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 6, 2008 9:50:59 GMT -5
Fair game Manzarek's pretty good. But gods? Take it easy! He was the only talented one. Peace Frog, listen to Robby Krieger's playing and then re-judge that statement. They are a great band, bar SP and WFTS, but if you check out a greatest hits by them it is an unbelievable choice |
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Post by dubill on Dec 6, 2008 15:04:34 GMT -5
what is the 'almost famous' line when lester bangs is talking about the doors? or something like that. |
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Post by lilhan on Dec 7, 2008 8:01:16 GMT -5
damn right.
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Post by meoskop on Dec 7, 2008 15:02:19 GMT -5
Having been lucky enough (or geriatric enough for some of you young’uns out there to have been going to gigs when the ‘grunge phenomena’ was breaking I can say I feel really privileged to have seen the likes of Nirvana, Mudhoney, Soundgarden et al in small venues and from those heady years I’ve got some brilliant memories. The last time I saw Nirvana at the Astoria was for In Utero, not too long before Kurt topped himself (AFAIK – UK tour, then into Europe, Rohypnol OD in Italy, then back to the US for a the finale..), Hey, I'm old as hell with you. My last Nirvana gig was that final US sweep and I said to Spouse that I was worried KC wouldn't be living much longer. He looked ragged. (Didn't expect Shannon and Layne though.) Soundgarden was the greatest live show touring - talk about etched into your soul. After one of the Fitchburg shows I didn't even have all my clothes, we were soaked through, and my girl D and I just lay on top of my car for an hour, sweating out, watching everyone drive out. I know Tad played that show too, I forget who the opener was just now. There'd been these pretty empty years between punk and grunge where a good show was tough to find - then suddenly promoters were putting great shows everywhere and you could (with a car and some cash) find something every night. Fantastic time. |
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Post by njtownie on Dec 7, 2008 21:46:18 GMT -5
Nirvana is correctly-rated.
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Post by theothermatt on Dec 8, 2008 0:09:04 GMT -5
Nirvana is correctly-rated. Klosterman?  |
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Post by njtownie on Dec 8, 2008 14:19:46 GMT -5
Nirvana is correctly-rated. Klosterman? Funny thing, I posted that while (more than) slightly intoxicated last night, and had no idea about the Klosterman article. I just read it and it's pretty funny. I like the part about Tone-Loc and Young MC. I should get his books, eh? Here's a link to the article: www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34821 |
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Post by theothermatt on Dec 8, 2008 14:36:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I went through a big CK phase and read most everything I could get my hands on, but have cooled off lately. He's a fun read, though.
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Post by njtownie on Dec 8, 2008 14:56:43 GMT -5
Seems like from the little that I've read, I'll enjoy it. Thanks for the tip.
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to have been going to gigs when the ‘grunge phenomena’ was breaking I can say I feel really privileged to have seen the likes of Nirvana, Mudhoney, Soundgarden et al in small venues and from those heady years I’ve got some brilliant memories. 
