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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2009 22:21:44 GMT -5
i was just thinking of the authors THS mention - Nelson Algren, John Berryman, Kerouac, Yates - and was wondering where the best places to start with them are
like we could put together a THS reading list and maybe i could get out my rut of just reading cheap pulp
and no, i STILL haven't read 'On The Road'. it might be too late
(if anyone wants i can put together a reading list for the last Mountain Goats album, since pulpy horror is something i do know)
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Post by lee on Feb 7, 2009 23:50:10 GMT -5
the only one i can really speak to with any confidence or more than a passing, school-required experience (so far) is algren, and i think "chicago: city on the make" is one of the best uses of language i have ever come across.
edit: on a side note, i'm very happy to no longer be a "cityscape skin" over there on the left column.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 1:30:09 GMT -5
every time i listen to THS i feel like reading Hubert Selby Jr
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Post by lilhan on Feb 8, 2009 7:39:34 GMT -5
i swear there was a reading list somewhere.
we did one on the old board.
wiki?
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Post by Sunny D on Feb 8, 2009 14:50:23 GMT -5
i swear there was a reading list somewhere. we did one on the old board. wiki? We probably did, but I have no memory of it. |
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Post by brldsguise on Feb 8, 2009 20:51:10 GMT -5
The Bible?
Wayne
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 20:57:56 GMT -5
i've read it, but rereading Revelations will help me understand both THS and Southland Tales!
seriously it looks like we need to read Revelations, Exodus... anything else?
i also suggest reading up on the Matthew Shephard case, at least if my theory about the 'cruxifiction' is right
and Stephen King's The Dead Zone for more information about clarivoyance. and Boston
no seriously i need advice on real books
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 0:43:58 GMT -5
okay William Blake i think only gets mentioned once but alot of Sapphire's visions might link to the visions Blake had, constantly... there's a giant poem cycle where he lays them all out but i forget the exact name. there's a quote somewhere where he talks about looking at this window and seeing Heaven
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Post by toastie on Feb 9, 2009 4:28:52 GMT -5
Kerouac - On the road (yes it's an obvoius one but it has more parralells to THS that just one reefence).
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Post by deadelectromix on Feb 9, 2009 13:51:19 GMT -5
For Kerouac I would suggest both On the Road and The Dharma Bums.
The later is basically a sequal to the first, and it's cool to see the parallels between them. Dharma Bums has been referred to as, "On the Trail."
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Post by goldenfoot on Feb 9, 2009 16:51:35 GMT -5
For lowbrow books I'd add "Wonderland Avenue" to the reading list. It's Danny Sugarman's memoir of heroin addiction. He has a few great stories about partying with Mckenzie Phillips and working with Iggy Pop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 17:08:03 GMT -5
you could assemble a pretty good rock and roll biography list just from people mentioned in 'The Swish'
but i'm looking for the more highbrow/Beat stuff
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Post by turnstiles on Feb 9, 2009 18:44:18 GMT -5
I recently reread On The Road, it was so much better than when I read it five years ago. I can relate so much more to it. I guess in my high school mind I couldn't keep track of all the characters that were coming in and out of the story, now, smarter, I can read it with ease. I bought the Dharma bums but have yet to open it. School work is getting the best of me.
Charles Bukowski has nothing to do with the hold steady but I'm pretty sure people here would like reading some of his work.
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Post by Mahoney on Feb 9, 2009 18:51:04 GMT -5
I recently reread On The Road, it was so much better than when I read it five years ago. I can relate so much more to it. I guess in my high school mind I couldn't keep track of all the characters that were coming in and out of the story, now, smarter, I can read it with ease. I bought the Dharma bums but have yet to open it. School work is getting the best of me. Charles Bukowski has nothing to do with the hold steady but I'm pretty sure people here would like reading some of his work. i enjoyed dharma bums alot more than on the road. the mountain climb will really make you want to climb a mountain. |
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Post by koko on Feb 9, 2009 20:26:42 GMT -5
I recently reread On The Road, it was so much better than when I read it five years ago. I can relate so much more to it. I guess in my high school mind I couldn't keep track of all the characters that were coming in and out of the story, now, smarter, I can read it with ease. I bought the Dharma bums but have yet to open it. School work is getting the best of me. Charles Bukowski has nothing to do with the hold steady but I'm pretty sure people here would like reading some of his work. agreed...On The Road was overrated for me. I'm an enormous fan. I've read everything he's ever written. Dharma Bums was much better, IMO. Desolation Angels was next best. i enjoyed dharma bums alot more than on the road. the mountain climb will really make you want to climb a mountain. |
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Post by Mahoney on Feb 9, 2009 20:49:33 GMT -5
eventually when i get around to kerouac again, i plan to pick up desolation angels. from what i've read (reviews + amazon preview) the first part of the book basically retells the end of dharma bums. not to excited about that, however the rest of the descriptions intrigue me.
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Post by koko on Feb 9, 2009 21:19:40 GMT -5
You'll notice that in a lot of his work. You will recognize stories and plots form other books eventually when i get around to kerouac again, i plan to pick up desolation angels. from what i've read (reviews + amazon preview) the first part of the book basically retells the end of dharma bums. not to excited about that, however the rest of the descriptions intrigue me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 21:23:57 GMT -5
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PsychicNosebleed - for one interpretation of the line 'she gets migrane headaches when she does it too much' :-P though i haven't added the line to that Wiki seriously TV Tropes is a perfect resource for pretty much everything fiction-related ok so i should probably start with On The Road, just to have read it then Algren and Berryman
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Post by vagabondking on Feb 10, 2009 10:41:07 GMT -5
I'm reading "On the Road" right now myself. I didn't really dig the Kerouac I read in school, but now I'm three years on the road discovering this place they call the United States. "On the Road" hits you like a brick between the eyes when you're on the road yourself.
I'm looking for somewhere I can find some of John Berryman's poetry. I was in Minneapolis last winter but I hadn't heard of THS yet then, and definitely hadn't heard of John Berryman either. I've got nothing better to do in these hotel rooms than listen to great music and read great books, so I'll fill you guys in when I pick something up.
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Feb 10, 2009 11:10:01 GMT -5
The Night of the Gun by David Carr, a memoir of addiction in Minneapolis by a New York Times columnist. It occupies the same psychodramatic landscape as Lifter Puller, and the Hold Steady are mentioned in passing.
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Post by theblondette on Feb 10, 2009 13:28:41 GMT -5
On The Road kind of annoyed me, really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 17:56:18 GMT -5
yeah i'm worried that i'm too old to read it
but it is mentioned explicitly by the band so its probably somewhere to start
this thread reminds me of carrying around a Bible at university... not 'cause i'm religious (i'm atheist) but 'cause 90% of the stuff we read made alot more sense if you knew all the Biblical references
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Post by annarose on Feb 13, 2009 2:23:02 GMT -5
They also make a reference to Lolita by Novikov, "I won't be much for all this Humbert Humbert stuff"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 5:20:03 GMT -5
Nabakov
i still need to read that
'He began to shake and cough/just like that/old man in/that book by Nabakov'
unrelated but yeah
they mentioned Tennyson, which i didn't remember until i saw Hellboy 2. he's mostly boring, but In Memoriam is probably a good place to start. better then 'Charge of the Light Brigade' anyway
where should i start with Cassavettes?
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Post by hoodrat on Feb 15, 2009 9:18:22 GMT -5
they mentioned Tennyson, which i didn't remember until i saw Hellboy 2. he's mostly boring, *shakes head* and walks away silently. |
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