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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 19, 2021 14:49:34 GMT -5
The tl;dr version of the list
01. Stuck Between Stations 02. Your Little Hoodrat Friend 03. Sweet Payne 04. How A Resurrection Really Feels 05. Banging Camp 06. Most People Are DJs 07. Unpleasant Breakfast 08. Constructive Summer 09. Entitlement Crew 10. Our Whole Lives
11. The Swish 12. Party Pit 13. Hornets! Hornets! 14. Positive Jam 15. Barfruit Blues 16. Chips Ahoy! 17. Sweet Part Of The City 18. Yeah Sapphire 19. Hostile, Mass 20. Charlemagne In Sweatpants
21. Killer Parties 22. Ask Her For Adderall 23. Chicago Seemed Tired Last Night 24. Family Farm 25. Girls Like Status 26. Heavy Covenant 27. Massive Nights 28. Knuckles 29. Slapped Actress 30. Southtown Girls
31. Stevie Nix 32. Hot Soft Light 33. Spices 34. Cattle And The Creeping Things 35. Certain Songs 36. Spinners 37. Curves And Nerves 38. Records And Tapes 39. The Ambassador 40. Multitude Of Causalties
41. Lanyards 42. Arms And Hearts 43. Milkcrate Mosh 44. Star 18 45. Stay Positive 46. First Night 47. Epaulets 48. Parade Days 49. Hot Fries 50. Almost Everything
51. Esther 52. Criminal Fingers 53. The Weekenders 54. Citrus 55. One For The Cutters 56. Stove And The Toaster 57. 40 Bucks 58. Traditional Village 59. Touchless 60. You Can Make Him Like You
61. Sequestered In Memphis 62. Ascension Blues 63. T-Shirt Tux 64. The Feelers 65. Hurricane J 66. Sketchy Metal 67. You Did Good Kid 68. Don't Let Me Explode 69. Rock Problems 70. The Most Important Thing
71. We Can Get Together 72. Denver Haircut 73. Riptown 74. Saddle Shoes 75. You Gotta Dance (With Who You Came To The Dance With) 76. A Slight Discomfort 77. Navy Sheets 78. I Hope This Whole Thing Didn't Frighten You 79. Barely Breathing 80. Lord I'm Discouraged
81. 212-Margarita 82. Same Kooks 83. Chillout Tent 84. Magazines 85. Separate Vacations 86. Snake In The Shower 87. At Least Not Tonight 88. Eureka 89. Blackout Sam 90. Runner's High
91. Hanover Camera 92. Two Handed Handshake 93. Going On A Hike 94. Both Crosses 95. Joke About Jamaica 96. Big Cig 97. Soft In The Center 98. Teenage Liberation 99. The Only Thing 100. Modesto Is Not That Sweet
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Post by robs on Apr 20, 2021 3:41:24 GMT -5
The tl;dr version of the list 01. Stuck Between Stations 02. Your Little Hoodrat Friend 03. Sweet Payne 04. How A Resurrection Really Feels 05. Banging Camp 06. Most People Are DJs 07. Unpleasant Breakfast 08. Constructive Summer 09. Entitlement Crew 10. Our Whole Lives 11. The Swish 12. Party Pit 13. Hornets! Hornets! 14. Positive Jam 15. Barfruit Blues 16. Chips Ahoy! 17. Sweet Part Of The City 18. Yeah Sapphire 19. Hostile, Mass 20. Charlemagne In Sweatpants 21. Killer Parties 22. Ask Her For Adderall 23. Chicago Seemed Tired Last Night 24. Family Farm 25. Girls Like Status 26. Heavy Covenant 27. Massive Nights 28. Knuckles 29. Slapped Actress 30. Southtown Girls 31. Stevie Nix 32. Hot Soft Light 33. Spices 34. Cattle And The Creeping Things 35. Certain Songs 36. Spinners 37. Curves And Nerves 38. Records And Tapes 39. The Ambassador 40. Multitude Of Causalties 41. Lanyards 42. Arms And Hearts 43. Milkcrate Mosh 44. Star 18 45. Stay Positive 46. First Night 47. Epaulets 48. Parade Days 49. Hot Fries 50. Almost Everything 51. Esther 52. Criminal Fingers 53. The Weekenders 54. Citrus 55. One For The Cutters 56. Stove And The Toaster 57. 40 Bucks 58. Traditional Village 59. Touchless 60. You Can Make Him Like You 61. Sequestered In Memphis 62. Ascension Blues 63. T-Shirt Tux 64. The Feelers 65. Hurricane J 66. Sketchy Metal 67. You Did Good Kid 68. Don't Let Me Explode 69. Rock Problems 70. The Most Important Thing 71. We Can Get Together 72. Denver Haircut 73. Riptown 74. Saddle Shoes 75. You Gotta Dance (With Who You Came To The Dance With) 76. A Slight Discomfort 77. Navy Sheets 78. I Hope This Whole Thing Didn't Frighten You 79. Barely Breathing 80. Lord I'm Discouraged 81. 212-Margarita 82. Same Kooks 83. Chillout Tent 84. Magazines 85. Separate Vacations 86. Snake In The Shower 87. At Least Not Tonight 88. Eureka 89. Blackout Sam 90. Runner's High 91. Hanover Camera 92. Two Handed Handshake 93. Going On A Hike 94. Both Crosses 95. Joke About Jamaica 96. Big Cig 97. Soft In The Center 98. Teenage Liberation 99. The Only Thing 100. Modesto Is Not That Sweet Thanks so much for this, it's been a blast!! I'm most glad you rated Our Whole Lives and Sweet Payne so high. I haven't tried the same exercise but the significant outliers to me are Oaks and Thee Only Thing (I'm pretty sure they would be top 5 and top 10 respectively). Just goes to show the narrow margins in such a catalogue!!
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Post by saintjoe on Apr 20, 2021 10:24:33 GMT -5
muzzleofbees: Thanks for doing this. It took a lot of effort and you really did a good job. Your analysis is very well thought out and well written, and I've really enjoyed reading this thread.
You wrote (in your write up Hoodrat):
"And even the most hardcore fans rarely stray away from this perception, the โhitsโ are widely regarded as their very best songs too."
and:
"...it makes more sense that their most popular, most straight-forward and most radio friendly songs, also are ranked as their very best by their own hardcore fans."
The only thing I would add is that "Sequestered..." is in my opinion one of their most radio-friendly songs, and possibly the band's biggest hit (depending on how you define that), but you ranked it nowhere near the top.
Anyway, one of the topics that has come up a few times in this thread is a band selling out, or trying to become bigger, or sell more records, and whether they can do that without changing who they are or compromising. This reminds me of an interview with Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead a long time ago, just after his band had released "In the Dark", which was, by GD standards, a fairly commercial album with two or three radio-friendly songs on it (at least by GD standards). He was asked to respond to people who said the Grateful Dead were selling out, and he said that the Grateful Dead has been trying to sell out for 30 years, but no one was buying.
Thinking about the arc of THS albums, you could say that with Stay Positive, Heaven is Whenever and maybe Teeth Dreams, the band was really trying to get bigger, and reach more people and, yes, sell more albums. And it didn't really happen. So maybe the band stepped back and returned to it's roots with Thrashing and ODP. They've accepted that they're not an arena band, but just one of the best 500-1000 sweaty people in the Brooklyn Bowl bands around. They're the Hold Steady at the Comfort Inn, not Mick Jagger at the Mandarin.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 20, 2021 11:29:18 GMT -5
muzzleofbees: Thanks for doing this. It took a lot of effort and you really did a good job. Your analysis is very well thought out and well written, and I've really enjoyed reading this thread. You wrote (in your write up Hoodrat): "And even the most hardcore fans rarely stray away from this perception, the โhitsโ are widely regarded as their very best songs too." and: "...it makes more sense that their most popular, most straight-forward and most radio friendly songs, also are ranked as their very best by their own hardcore fans." The only thing I would add is that "Sequestered..." is in my opinion one of their most radio-friendly songs, and possibly the band's biggest hit (depending on how you define that), but you ranked it nowhere near the top. You're right, I'm not totally consistent there. What I meant is that there seem to be a bigger overlap between the most popular songs among everybody liking the band, and what songs the most invested fans seem to like the most. And also between the songs the band keep on playing every night, and the songs the hardcore fans like. There's a general trend that the more people dig into the band, the more they tend to hail the lesser known and rarely played tracks. But for the most part, fans of Hold Steady seem to love Hoodrat and Stations. I think that's worth mentioning. But I guess it doesn't apply to all songs. I'm not quite sure what the general perception of Sequestered is, but I assume I like it a little less than most fans, maybe? It sure seems popular when they do it live. The same goes for Stay Positive, The Weekenders and Magazines. My main point was that even the fans who go to every show, seem to like these songs a lot, and that even that most of them prefer to hear these well-know tracks in favour of a deep cut. But the more I write about it, the more unsure I become. Maybe I'm wrong. Yes, I agree on a lot of this. And just to be completly clear about it: I'm in no way accusing Hold Steady of selling out - the term is a little outdated anyway. I just think they've made a lot of decisions that shows ambition, and that they're actually trying to get bigger, not settle for where they are at any given point or nurture an underground or indie ethos. And I think they (for the most part) have done that in a very clever and likeable way. I think I wrote it somewhere, that it feels like Thrashing is the sound of the pressure taken from their shoulders - just because exactly what you write. After a hiatus, and well into their forties, stardom seemed pretty unlikely. I think the sound of that record is the sound of freedom, just letting their shoulders down and doing what they want. And that Open Door Policy adds a new kind of ambition to the mix: To be the best version of Hold Steady possible, without a making-it-big pressure. That Garcia quote about selling out, but no one buying, is really good.
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Post by saintjoe on Apr 20, 2021 12:10:44 GMT -5
I should have added that I think you're right with Stuck Between Stations and Hoodrat being not only among the most radio friendly songs but also among the most beloved (by hard core fans) songs in the band's catalog. I guess where we differ is I rate Sequestered much higher than you; I'd put it in the top 10, which only proves your point even more.
When I first got into the band, which was between Boys and Girls in America and Stay Positive, I thought that Stuck Between Stations would be The Hold Steady's Born to Run. That song that they had to play at each show and the one song that they would be known for if you asked a more casual fan. I don't know that it's really turned out like that, but nobody can quibble with putting it at Number 1.
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Post by spencerm on Apr 20, 2021 13:21:38 GMT -5
But I guess it doesn't apply to all songs. I'm not quite sure what the general perception of Sequestered is, but I assume I like it a little less than most fans, maybe? It sure seems popular when they do it live. The same goes for Stay Positive, The Weekenders and Magazines. My main point was that even the fans who go to every show, seem to like these songs a lot, and that even that most of them prefer to hear these well-know tracks in favour of a deep cut. But the more I write about it, the more unsure I become. Maybe I'm wrong. It's kind of weird, but I think that even if you attend a lot of shows, the songs that get played at nearly every show remain a lot of fun. For one, the audience isn't all people who attend so many shows and I still enjoy seeing people go nuts for a song that I've seen them play live dozens of times. Second, a song like Sequestered is a good singalong and has developed a lot of pantomime stuff over the years -- songs that only get an occasional airing don't have the same change to become so entrenched in the band's culture. In other words, the apparent popularity of some of the songs you've listed, even among die-hards, might appear greater than it is. There's just more to *do* during some songs rather than others. (And I feel like it would be a bit at odds with the unified scene ethos to just stand around for songs you don't like as much?). That being said, I don't listen to Sequestered at home very often. It's a good song, but I enjoy it much more live. I have also found live versions of some long-awaited B-sides a bit deflating because lots of people are less familiar and they're less rehearsed. Great songs, but you wouldn't want them to be the whole setlist. On the flip side, for me anyway, I think a song like Southtown is hurt a bit by its frequent inclusion in setlists. It's a bit long (5:11 compared to the 3:35 of Sequestered), it's more mid-tempo, the opening vocals are always a bit awkward, and the harmonica solo is maybe the biggest live highlight. But songs like Hoodrat, Stations, You Can Make Him Like You, DJs, Entitlement Crew, Resurrection, Massive Nights -- I am pretty much always as stoked as I appear. They're great songs that translate well live and I would happily see them show up on virtually every setlist.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 20, 2021 13:23:41 GMT -5
Exactly! Then we agree on the general notion.
I might be a little unfair to Sequestered, but I certainly belongs to a group of songs I admire or respect more than I really love, as a listener and a fan. But it's fun as hell to hear it live nowadays, when they've brought the horns. It lift my general impression of the song too.
In my view, it is their Born To Run. Not only in terms of my own preferences, but regarding it's position in their catalog, story and among the fans. It's not easy to measure these things, but it sure feels like one of the most important, euphoric moment in a live setting, for pretty much everyone there.
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Post by skepticatfirst on Apr 20, 2021 13:42:14 GMT -5
Great wrapup to a great undertaking. My own relationship to Hoodrat is a lot deeper than my relationship to Stuck Between Stations --- it was the song that hooked me, too, and the lyrics, some of the finest ever written anywhere, have probably spent more time on repeat in my head than those of any other song in the catalog. But there's no way it can compete with Stations for anthem status. What you say about the live-setting euphoria Stations brings out is sort of the clincher, in my mind ... Hoodrat is awesome, but it's not the all-encompassing, full-heart reflection on life that Stations is.
You made me go put on AKM yesterday, something I haven't done in a long time. It was really great to listen carefully with all the points of your writeup in mind ... going to see if I can get through the whole catalog while it's all fresh in my head. Thanks a lot for putting in all this work, it's been a lot of fun.
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Post by star18 on Apr 20, 2021 14:47:58 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself! What an excellent thread.
I definitely fit this trend. I made a Spotify playlist of all the B-sides and bonus/unreleased tracks, and during the past few years I've definitely played it more than any of the proper albums. Part of that is just novelty of course (there's basically three full album's worth of material!) but part of it is also that their b-sides tend to be really, really good!
I mean, I'm obviously biased as hell, THS are my favorite band. But there are a lot of other bands that I also really love and admire, and for the most part, when groups release b-sides and unreleased material, I'm usually pretty underwhelmed. Interesting to hear, sure, cool for completists. But I very rarely hear unreleased stuff and think "Damn, that would have made the record better!" like I frequently do with THS.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 22, 2021 1:58:23 GMT -5
I always think the guitar solo at the end of 'Most people...' is almost laugh out loud funny, it's so over the top, and the way the song just ends like the tape ran out adds to the daftness. Love this one, for a hard confrontational song I'm surprised you've put it this high, Muzzle! I forgot about this. Thing is, I don't really hear it as a "hard" song, in the sense I've (somewhat confusing, maybe) have used it in this thread. It's obviously a heavy guitar song, and very capital-R Rock, but I don't think it has this emotional hardness, the uncompromising and confrontional sound that some of the songs I don't like as much have. Quite the opposite, it feels joyful, playful and open. While Stay Positive or On With The Business are songs with a hard face, there something unforgiving about them, Most People Are DJs seems inviting and smiling.
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Post by thehudsonsteady on Apr 22, 2021 2:26:07 GMT -5
I see what you mean, Muzzle, you make sense there,it is a playful song. Thanks for publishing this thread, it got me to listen to AKM for the first time in ages and made me look at certain songs in a new light. It looks like lots of other people have really enjoyed it too. Thanks again.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Apr 22, 2021 3:19:38 GMT -5
I see what you mean, Muzzle, you make sense there,it is a playful song. Thanks for publishing this thread, it got me to listen to AKM for the first time in ages and made me look at certain songs in a new light. It looks like lots of other people have really enjoyed it too. Thanks again. Thank you right back at you guys for engaging in it! I was a great deal of fun.
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Post by sequesteredinuk on May 20, 2021 13:51:11 GMT -5
I'm a bit late to the party here Muzzle so seeing this for the first time. Thanks for the entertainment of these pages and all your work putting together the list. Top job sir. ๐
You need to do Craig solo now don't you? Maybe top 25?๐ food for thought mate.
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Post by muzzleofbees on May 21, 2021 2:12:59 GMT -5
I'm a bit late to the party here Muzzle so seeing this for the first time. Thanks for the entertainment of these pages and all your work putting together the list. Top job sir. ๐ You need to do Craig solo now don't you? Maybe top 25?๐ food for thought mate. Thanks! Oh, yeah, that's a pretty good idea. Lifter Puller too. I know Craig's solo catalog pretty well, but going through this list it occurred to me just how deep my relationship with these Hold Steady songs really is. I didn't put on any single one of them while doing this writeup, they are all embedded in me allready. I'm not quite there with Craig solo or Lifter Puller, but they come pretty close. I'll think about it!
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Post by thrasher9294 on Jun 9, 2021 18:48:55 GMT -5
- I've read countless times online how people discovered Hold Steady through Hoodrat on the soundtrack to one of the Tony Hawk games, and I think that goes far in underlining the schisma between indie/shot-at-the-mainstream. I was one of them, for sure. It's hard to say just how important that franchise was for introducing punk, rock, hip-hop, all sorts of different styles of music to new audiences. Jurassic 5, Cannibal Ox, lesser known projects like Bracket or Blind Iris, or even the new remake from last year introducing me to Viagra Boys. Maybe it was growing up in the midwest, but most of what I was exposed to growing up was either crappy Christian metal from the kids my older brother went to high school with, typical radio hits, or stuff that I'd find in skating/BMX tapes and even video games. I was in 6th grade here in the U.S. when Tony Hawk's Project 8 came out in '06โmaking me only twelve years old at the time. I still have a distinct memory of hearing Hoodrat in the background while I was playing. It's that moment when everything else fades away and you realize "Hey, this song is pretty damn good." I was drawn to Craig's voice, that organ in the background, the backing vocals, everything about it. Even with that, most of my friends thought it was a bit silly. " This guy's voice? Really?" They'd eventually come to like BaGiA a bit, but I never could really talk about SS or AKM to anyone I knew locally. In a way, I always felt a bit silly for it all, especially when I realized how much of a "kid" I was compared to many of the fans. I was usually embarrassed to admit "hey, I found them through a 'video game'"โbut in the midwest growing up, as a young kid, that was something special. I'd love to see that, for sure! Great opportunity for those "hot takes" if you like their first record as much as I did.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Aug 1, 2021 2:36:09 GMT -5
I'd love to see that, for sure! Great opportunity for those "hot takes" if you like their first record as much as I did. I just did a brief walk through their catalog, and I think this actually might be doable. The songs aren't nearly as embedded in me as the Hold Steady songs, but I have a pretty clear view on how a list would look like. The big upside is that the entire catalog is just - from what I can tell - 57 songs big. There's a cople of different versions of a few songs (Nassau Coliseum, Star Wars Hips, The Mezzanine Gyp and Lie Down On Landsdowne), but I can't find more than 53 unique songs. We'll see what it turns into.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Mar 14, 2022 16:13:17 GMT -5
I was actually meaning to bring this back up the other day, to answer the exact thing that sequesteredinuk asked me about in another thread, but I forgot about it. But now I'm at it! It's been one year since the countdown started, and also a little over a year since Open Door Policy was released. As for the ranking of the tracks from Almost Killed Me throughout Teeth Dreams, I think I'd rank them more or less the same now. After all, one year isn't all that much after listening to this band for 15 years. But the ODP tracks is something different. They all still were pretty fresh last spring. A year later, they feel more like regular Hold Steady songs, and in London last weekend, I also got to hear most of them in a live setting. I'm not gonna re-arrange the list, I think that's an exercise more valuable in five or ten years time. But a couple of comments on some of the songs: *I still rate Unpleasant Breakfast a lot, and I think it's placement in the top 10 actually is justifiable. It's hard to tell wheter it's the 7th or 15th best song they've ever made, but I still feel it offers something really unique, different and emotionally strong. It's one of the most different-sounding songs in their entire catalog, while still sounding unmistakebly like Hold Steady, and I still love it. *Family Farm have faded a little in the year that's passed, and I would probably push it quite a few spots down if I did the list today. I still think it's a pretty perfect representation of the joyous version of Hold Steady, mixed up with the right dose of bittersweetness and afterthought. And the way the incorporate the horns are still pretty amazing. Still, it's not up there with Entitlement Crew or Unpleasant Breakfast as for THS v2.0 songs go. *Heavy Covenant was an early favourite, and have stayed that way the entire year. I still think it's a tough one to rate, just because some of the things so impressive about the song, is the same things that makes it a little soft, non-explosive, if that makes sense. Some days the muted intensity of it all hit me so hard, other days I sort of lack the more explicit energy. Still easily one of the three best songs from ODP. *Spices have grown a lot on me over time. I've always liked it a lot, but I think I might assumed that the inital rush of the heavyness would wear off. Instead, the opposite have happened. The groove in it have crept into me, and I enjoy the rush of the chorus even more now than then. And I still find small details and tricks in it that surprise and thrill me. Today I probably would have pushed it a couple of places upwards. *Lanyards is in the same category. I stand by everything I wrote about it, but with time, all those qualities are just shining brighter. It's an almost perfect representation of the big mid-tempo THS song, and I think it was telling that it featured two times in London, whereas The Weekenders only appeared once. Could probably be pushed a couple of places upwards too. My initial evaluation of the rest of the ODP songs have stayed pretty much the same. I really like The Feelers and Parade Days, and also think Riptown remains underrated. The Prior Procedure and Me & Magdalena will probably never be favourites of mine, and Hanover Camera is still a singular, weird and creepy track that fascinates me, but that's - in a THS context, where it's a given that I actually like every damn song - pretty much it. As I've written plenty of times: The real point in doing such a ranking isn't really to diffentiate between song #36 and #34, but to put songs in a somewhat reasonable order, and use the ranking as a vehicle to discuss what it is about this music that make me so excited. I still hope people will discover this thread, though, jumping in with their objections and disagreements to expand the conversation about the band.
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Post by charlemagne on Apr 18, 2023 14:38:43 GMT -5
Not to revive a nearly year-old thread, but I really enjoyed going back through this after reading the Craig solo rankings thread. In due time, really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on TPOP songs and where they fit into the canon. I know it's taken me at least a dozen listens to formulate some coherent thoughts on the new record myself. But you've got a really good flair for breaking down the songs, so I'll be eager to read them whenever that time comes.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Aug 1, 2023 4:43:34 GMT -5
Not to revive a nearly year-old thread, but I really enjoyed going back through this after reading the Craig solo rankings thread. In due time, really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on TPOP songs and where they fit into the canon. I know it's taken me at least a dozen listens to formulate some coherent thoughts on the new record myself. But you've got a really good flair for breaking down the songs, so I'll be eager to read them whenever that time comes. I've been logged of the boards for quite so time, so I didn't see this before today. Thank you so much! I think it's great that people discover this thread a year or two after it was made, and I hope it can inspire some more discussion and takes. Yes, I've been thinking about working TPOP into this thread in some way. My initial (or no so initial anymore, maybe) feeling is that the album works better as an album than as songs. I think about half of them would struggle to make the top 60-70 songs on this list, but that coult obviously change over time. Right now there are two contenders for top #25 for me: Grand Junction and Sixers, with the latter among the best songs they've ever made, in my opinion.
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Post by fontaine on Aug 1, 2023 12:45:24 GMT -5
Totally agree. Grand Junction blew me away on first listen. Fantastic atmosphere. And I listened to Sixers probably as often as to all of the remaining tracks combined. Excellent storytelling.
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Post by charlemagne on Aug 2, 2023 17:06:08 GMT -5
Carlos is Crying is the one for me. I do tend to agree with the idea of this being better as a full listen than just singles. I'd be really curious to hear Birdwatchers live, but I doubt we get it until the Horn Steady is involved. I'm a big sports fan so City at Eleven and Flyover Halftime actually really speak to me on a strange level.
I'd still like to know how the female in Sixers got from "getting with the guy upstairs" to blowing him off after they've done a bunch of Adderall and had a bunch of drinks, ordered takeout, etc. Seemed like a pretty quick jump there, but that's just me. I do like the song though.
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Post by muzzleofbees on Aug 3, 2023 2:28:19 GMT -5
Carlos is Crying is the one for me. I do tend to agree with the idea of this being better as a full listen than just singles. I'd be really curious to hear Birdwatchers live, but I doubt we get it until the Horn Steady is involved. I'm a big sports fan so City at Eleven and Flyover Halftime actually really speak to me on a strange level. I'd still like to know how the female in Sixers got from "getting with the guy upstairs" to blowing him off after they've done a bunch of Adderall and had a bunch of drinks, ordered takeout, etc. Seemed like a pretty quick jump there, but that's just me. I do like the song though. Carlos is growing on me as well, and The Birdwatchers is my favourite one from the second half, it has a strange and really intruiging vibe in it. Regarding Sixers, I think the entire point is the schisma between dancing (which very, very often means sex in the THS world) and kissing, between physical and emotional connections. I haven't mapped it all out, but this is an image that runs through many songs. People get high and dance/fuck, but once it turns emotional in a deeper way, the "she" backs out.
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Post by charlemagne on Aug 4, 2023 6:42:48 GMT -5
That's a good take. I love the line "she spent the last weekend trying to find a small connection." I feel that line hard. Seems like that's a lot of my life right now.
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