bigontheinside
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Post by bigontheinside on Dec 19, 2015 9:47:58 GMT -5
There's a large chance this is complete bullshit, but I felt like it should probably be posted here. I kind of wish I hadn't read it, so be warned. Found on the Hold Steady subreddit... https://www.reddit.com/r/theholdsteady/comments/3xdtl0/they_didnt_have_a_band_so_they_started_a_band_and/
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john k
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Post by john k on Dec 19, 2015 10:25:46 GMT -5
according to Tads LinkedIn page he has THS as previous employers 2003 - 2015.
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Post by delboydrums on Dec 19, 2015 10:33:05 GMT -5
Is there anyone with any authority and / or who could speak on behalf of THS who will either confirm or deny this??
As mentioned in the post, the fans deserve to know one way or the other.
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Post by stringer on Dec 19, 2015 10:57:52 GMT -5
If it is true, it's unsurprising, but a shame. A shame because Teeth Dreams was a great record, and a shame because you'd expect at least some kind of message. Oh well, the music is still good, and at least the people I've met through it have been great!
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Post by spencerm on Dec 19, 2015 11:32:36 GMT -5
Merry Christmas!
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Post by tbob on Dec 19, 2015 17:30:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure we deserve an explanation or a statement. I'm not particularly interested in the bands personal lives. When did the Unified Scene appoint Perez Hilton as chief correspondent?! They gave us those records and they'll always be with me regardless of their future plans. I can always listen to them.
I love Craig's new album and I'll be listening to whatever Tad, Bobby, Steve and Galen do next. I still buy Franz's albums.
I hope there's another Hold Steady album but if there's not I'd rather thank them for the ones I have and wish them all the best for the future.
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Post by delboydrums on Dec 19, 2015 17:46:00 GMT -5
Amen to most of the above.
We don't need to know about their personal lives, but it would be reasonable to be told if the band that we're all fans of still exist or not.
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Post by cre618 on Dec 19, 2015 18:02:44 GMT -5
Reading the comments makes it sure sound like that person loves their "insider" status. Sorry if they are here reading this. I'm with tbob. I don't care about their personal lives and there is some borderline slanderous things in that post. Sure doesn't seem very Unified to me.
I hope they continue making more music, when they have a creative reason to do so.
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Post by doctoracula on Dec 19, 2015 18:15:28 GMT -5
That has a whole lot of bitterness to it so I'm not sure how much I believe of the personal attacks. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if the band is done. There have been enough hints and honestly they seemed to've run out of steam IMO anyway. For a few years, they were the best rock band on the planet. They released some of the best music of the 2000s. That's more than almost any band can say. If they're done, at least they left us some amazing records.
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bigontheinside
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Post by bigontheinside on Dec 19, 2015 18:53:02 GMT -5
I think Teeth Dreams has some of the best Hold Steady songs on it. Also some of the worst, probably. 'Oaks' will remain a favourite for me. I think it was a great record. I'd like another, but I can live without... There are enough great songs to hold onto forever. Craig's latest album is really strong, I love it, actually - but doesn't quite recapture the magic for me, as is the case with most solo projects.
If this truly is the end, I'm just sad I won't be seeing them live again. I'm lucky to have seen them as many times as I did. They were the first band I ever saw live. I've seen them put on a lot of incredible shows, I've seen a lot of other incredible bands, but nothing will live up to that First Night...
P.S. LFTR PLLR reunion when???
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Post by doctoracula on Dec 19, 2015 19:18:55 GMT -5
Another thought: even if, as that person claims, Craig wasn't totally genuine in his joy speeches, it doesn't matter. There was always an abundance of joy in the room when they played. Everyone felt it.
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Post by mcmill on Dec 19, 2015 19:32:35 GMT -5
The Reddit post rings true to me, and it comes as sad but not unsurprising news. As for the band's personal lives, I don't care to know much either, but if the THS is defunct, it would be decent of them to say so. They always had the best fans.
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Post by doctoracula on Dec 19, 2015 19:33:53 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think they owe anyone any explanation. I'd honestly rather see them not say anything and maybe bury the hatchet and do something new down the line instead of playing the dramatic breakup/reunion game
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Post by delboydrums on Dec 19, 2015 19:41:47 GMT -5
Another thought: even if, as that person claims, Craig wasn't totally genuine in his joy speeches, it doesn't matter. There was always an abundance of joy in the room when they played. Everyone felt it. AMEN to this
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Post by tbob on Dec 19, 2015 20:04:29 GMT -5
Another thought: even if, as that person claims, Craig wasn't totally genuine in his joy speeches, it doesn't matter. There was always an abundance of joy in the room when they played. Everyone felt it. That struck a chord with me too. There's no way he could have meant it every single night. We're all human and sometimes we're pissed off and can't be bothered. The fact he said it every night and made us feel part of something really special is the important part.
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Post by doctoracula on Dec 19, 2015 20:09:35 GMT -5
Another thought: even if, as that person claims, Craig wasn't totally genuine in his joy speeches, it doesn't matter. There was always an abundance of joy in the room when they played. Everyone felt it. That struck a chord with me too. There's no way he could have meant it every single night. We're all human and sometimes we're pissed off and can't be bothered. The fact he said it every night and made us feel part of something really special is the important part. Absolutely! It was part of the show. He's a storyteller and knows how to work a crowd, and that's a big part of why they were so successful.
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Post by bigontheinside on Dec 19, 2015 20:10:08 GMT -5
Before we get *too* pessimistic about this, Craig seemed to think THS were still alive in this Rolling Stone article from September:
As you continue to make solo records and gain more experience doings things outside the band, can you envision a musical future for yourself without the Hold Steady? I always hope that the Hold Steady will be around, because there's camaraderie and there's a community, a shared experience, that is important to me. But sometimes I think as we get older, it can be unwieldy. The Hold Steady is a big enough band that we need a certain amount of people to do things, so there's some flexibility that the solo thing gives me to keep working. Also, artistically, it's become important to me to be able to do both. It's become a thing where I'm definitely going to need to do both to be happy.
I imagine one probably makes the other more rewarding. Yeah, the solo thing is very rewarding, and then you do a Hold Steady show, and everyone's going crazy. You get to a point after ten years in the Hold Steady where you don't feel validated unless someone throws a beer. You have to get past that. I'm really happy and excited to be doing both, it's like flexing different muscles.
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Post by john k on Dec 19, 2015 21:21:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the band are still fully functional ?
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Post by Rich Tarbell on Dec 19, 2015 23:56:07 GMT -5
I was reluctant to reply or chime in here but fuck it.
There are some blatant fucking inflammatory lies in that assessment that was posted by someone who appears to be a friend of Tad's. A few points may be semi-accurate, but there is a lot of bullshit in there to put it lightly.
The biggest takeaway I have from it is whoever posted it, and I don't care if I know you or not "HollyTheHoodrat", is you are about the last person I'd like to be friends with. If Tad, or whomever is vaguely referenced that the poster had a "casual relationship with" was getting this communication from that person in the band, it was probably exchanged with some degree of confidentiality and trust. I don't care for people who break a relationship of friendship, confidentiality and trust especially when it involves posting something that seems so self-congratulating in their stance (i.e. "And am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I've kept quiet for well over a year now and I think the Unified Scene deserves to be treated with honesty and respect.")
It is amusing that the first commenter to the post asked if anyone could corroborate the facts, and the person who jumped in to corroborate was ... wait for it ... the poster.
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Post by jz on Dec 20, 2015 1:26:53 GMT -5
That struck a chord with me too. There's no way he could have meant it every single night. We're all human and sometimes we're pissed off and can't be bothered. The fact he said it every night and made us feel part of something really special is the important part. Absolutely! It was part of the show. He's a storyteller and knows how to work a crowd, and that's a big part of why they were so successful. Another thing, too, if we're really gonna analyze this, is he always said "There is so much joy in what we do up here." It doesn't mean he has to feel super happy in that moment. It's a general proclamation. (Also, I echo what all the rest of you said, too.)
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Post by jz on Dec 20, 2015 2:00:34 GMT -5
I was reluctant to reply or chime in here but fuck it. There are some blatant fucking inflammatory lies in that assessment that was posted by someone who appears to be a friend of Tad's. A few points may be semi-accurate, but there is a lot of bullshit in there to put it lightly. The biggest takeaway I have from it is whoever posted it, and I don't care if I know you or not "HollyTheHoodrat", is you are about the last person I'd like to be friends with. If Tad, or whomever is vaguely referenced that the poster had a "casual relationship with" was getting this communication from that person in the band, it was probably exchanged with some degree of confidentiality and trust. I don't care for people who break a relationship of friendship, confidentiality and trust especially when it involves posting something that seems so self-congratulating in their stance (i.e. "And am truly sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I've kept quiet for well over a year now and I think the Unified Scene deserves to be treated with honesty and respect.") It is amusing that the first commenter to the post asked if anyone could corroborate the facts, and the person who jumped in to corroborate was ... wait for it ... the poster. Yeah, that struck me too. "I can corraborate it." It's like, no shit you say you can corraborate it. That doesn't add anything. What also strikes me is that she's willing to divulge all this shit, but not the person who told her this stuff. Like, at this point, who is she protecting? If people in the band saw this (and if there's actually any truth to this), it's not like they're not gonna know who she's referring to. Maybe conceivably protecting the person from the media, but it's not like every single person wouldn't get asked about this anyway. It all smells to me. (Also second a sentiment from an earlier post: very proud of her insider status.) Also, also...unless I know incorrectly, her dates for Finn recording his solo record don't really line up...
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Post by jamesjesusangleton on Dec 20, 2015 7:46:01 GMT -5
Last week, when we were driving down to Ramsgate, I asked Craig if the Hold Steady had any plans in the near future, or – indeed – ever. "Ever, for sure. Definitely," he said. The band all got together the other week, he said. In terms of inside knowledge, that's as far as I would be willing to go, but he was unequivocal about saying the band would be working together again. I know him well enough for him to say if that were not the case, in which case I would have stayed away from this thread.
They've been a band for more than a decade. In that time, relationships fray and mend and fray and mend and fray and mend. This is a band who for years did 200 shows in every 12 months. Ask yourself how many people you could face being around for 24 hours a day, 200 days a year. As the interviews for Teeth Dreams showed, there are tensions within the band – as there are in every band that stays together more than a fortnight. They've dealt with that by taking an unspecified amount of time off. They'll be back when the members of the band want to be back.
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Post by Fine Malt Lyrics on Dec 20, 2015 7:51:24 GMT -5
Oh for fucks sake.
Sounds like someone got dumped or denied or otherwise spurned and decided to take a public shit in a juvenile attempt at payback. Whatever. It says more about the poster than the band or the players.
If it's over, it's over. Until they decide to tour again. Which doesn't really change anything that we already know. That's how bands with long histories work.
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Post by delboydrums on Dec 20, 2015 8:38:27 GMT -5
Last week, when we were driving down to Ramsgate, I asked Craig if the Hold Steady had any plans in the near future, or – indeed – ever. "Ever, for sure. Definitely," he said. The band all got together the other week, he said. In terms of inside knowledge, that's as far as I would be willing to go, but he was unequivocal about saying the band would be working together again. I know him well enough for him to say if that were not the case, in which case I would have stayed away from this thread. They've been a band for more than a decade. In that time, relationships fray and mend and fray and mend and fray and mend. This is a band who for years did 200 shows in every 12 months. Ask yourself how many people you could face being around for 24 hours a day, 200 days a year. As the interviews for Teeth Dreams showed, there are tensions within the band – as there are in every band that stays together more than a fortnight. They've dealt with that by taking an unspecified amount of time off. They'll be back when the members of the band want to be back. That'll do for me.
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Post by john k on Dec 20, 2015 9:00:40 GMT -5
think of the children. the "kids" need to know
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