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Post by doctoracula on Apr 1, 2013 21:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 1, 2013 21:17:31 GMT -5
as with all RS lists, there's some totally bunk shit. but some good calls.
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Post by citrus on Apr 1, 2013 23:09:50 GMT -5
How much crack does one need to smoke to rank the arctic monkeys debut 10 spaces above Marquee Moon? Probably the most important post-english blues boom guitar record ever, trumped by a very strong debut of Libertines inspired indie rock. If there is justification there, I fail to see it.
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 2, 2013 7:30:48 GMT -5
Probably about as much as it takes to rank an arcade fire record over almost everything else
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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Apr 2, 2013 16:44:04 GMT -5
Probably about as much as it takes to rank an arcade fire record over almost everything else well said. these RS lists are rarely consistent or sensible, even where it's not a matter of personal opinion. i'm not a huge boston fan, but their debut LP is somewhere in the 40s on this list, which is beyond bogus. everyone owned it when it came out. it's the 2nd highest selling debut of all time (behind GNR), and almost every song on it was a chart-topping hit. |
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Post by jtd7 on Apr 4, 2013 20:35:30 GMT -5
i'm not a huge boston fan, but their debut LP is somewhere in the 40s on this list, which is beyond bogus. everyone owned it when it came out. it's the 2nd highest selling debut of all time (behind GNR), and almost every song on it was a chart-topping hit. But it's crap! (Mind you, that's only my opinion . . . . ) |
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 4, 2013 22:19:51 GMT -5
i don't really have an opinion on boston. i severely dislike arcade fire and can't imagine ranking their debut over something like unknown pleasures
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Post by iterate on Apr 5, 2013 0:55:41 GMT -5
It's weird that they tend to rank historical relevance so inconsistently.
So like Elvis isn't necessarily as massive a deal historically in rock as he's often made out to be, but he had a fairly large hand in popularizing something resembling rock music. And that's historically relevant. And he's somewhere in the 80s or whatever. And then they place things with similar (and sometimes less) historical impact (and longevity) in the top 10 (License to Ill, The Strokes, NWA).
And Drake is on there.
And there's a serious underrepresentation of independent hip-hop (something with both historical and artistic importance), instead glorifying entirely mainstream hip-hop sensibilities.
I don't know, man. I feel like every music publication has some sort of pseudo-political music agenda to push and that all of their lists end up just some perverted amalgam of somewhat notable and completely off the wall things rather than a thoughtful and carefully plotted depiction of fan opinion / reality.
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 5, 2013 7:02:32 GMT -5
well, to be fair, Elvis wasn't much of an "album" artist. him being ranked low didn't bother me because he was all about singles.
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Post by iterate on Apr 5, 2013 8:23:57 GMT -5
But it makes sense for him to be higher up in the context of lifetime achievement.
And there are other rankings certainly focused on lifetime achievement (Hendrix, for instance).
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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Apr 5, 2013 11:53:37 GMT -5
i'm not a huge boston fan, but their debut LP is somewhere in the 40s on this list, which is beyond bogus. everyone owned it when it came out. it's the 2nd highest selling debut of all time (behind GNR), and almost every song on it was a chart-topping hit. But it's crap! (Mind you, that's only my opinion . . . . ) i don't care for it much either but facts like that are hard to ignore when making a list of top debuts of all time. personally i don't like GNR much but 'appetite' is the best selling debut of all time, and i'd probably rank it pretty high on this list despite my personal feelings. |
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Post by Rattlesnake Gospel on Apr 5, 2013 12:02:13 GMT -5
i don't really have an opinion on boston. i severely dislike arcade fire and can't imagine ranking their debut over something like unknown pleasures i don't care for arcade fire much either, if for no other reason than they have way too many people in that band. but my wife plays their first album all the time in the car and i've never been able to get into it. |
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Post by doctoracula on Apr 5, 2013 12:08:09 GMT -5
I saw them once and don't remember a thing about it
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Post by stringer on Apr 6, 2013 5:50:08 GMT -5
But it's crap! (Mind you, that's only my opinion . . . . ) i don't care for it much either but facts like that are hard to ignore when making a list of top debuts of all time. personally i don't like GNR much but 'appetite' is the best selling debut of all time, and i'd probably rank it pretty high on this list despite my personal feelings. I love Boston Except for that weird low voice in 'Higher Power' |
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Post by stringer on Apr 6, 2013 5:55:19 GMT -5
There is a comment below that says apparently any artist whose greatest triumph was their debut was higher up the list, and any whose greatest triumph was subsequent to the debut was 'deliberately' pushed down the list.
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