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Post by andy42g on Dec 10, 2008 6:49:09 GMT -5
Posted in other thread ... "There does not have to be total raging in the audience for everyone to enjoy themselves, and this is the beauty of going to see more than one show on the tour. No doubt Manchester tonight will be wild and I'll love it, but a 'sensible' audience gives you half a chance to actually watch and appreciate what's going on on stage. I was right at the front and everyone round me was dancing (- "sensibly"), singing, applauding and seemed to be having a great time without having to fight for space and having people jumping on them. Each to their own. "
I loved the Sheffield show! Not so sure about Yorkshire folk being reserved though - maybe it's just the Leadmill, or Sheffield. Leeds Irish Centre was mad earlier in the year.
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Post by andy42g on Dec 10, 2008 6:53:31 GMT -5
I feel your disappointment, definitely. there's nothing worse than really digging something and not being sure if anybody else is! How about looking around you and making sure that other people are actually loving it, but not quite in the same way as you are expecting them to? Then, settle in and enjoy the band. Not everyone wants to rage . I was at the same show as this guy, feet away from him, and everyone round me was having a great time (he says, sounding like a fucking grandad! )
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Post by campfirewood1980 on Dec 10, 2008 7:42:16 GMT -5
I was just expecting Killer Parties + stage invasion. Not to be a little gray rain cloud, but the days of the stage invasions are over. Too much equipment to worry about, too many drunk bozos... and wasn't there an incident involving a stolen bottle of booze? "Killer Parties" seems to have become an every-other-night sort of closer. It's still my preferred closing, but it's not like "Resurrection" isn't a worthy jam. Sorry about the crowd. I've been to shows like that before, and you just have to kind of do what you can to pull through.
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Post by roywalker on Dec 10, 2008 7:46:32 GMT -5
i saw the guys at manchester and the leadmill the tour before last i think? the leadmill crowd sucked back then too, and manchester was proper rowdy. lucky that i booked tickets for tonight before the cancelations and the leadmill show was added, or else i probably woulda ended up going to the leadmill show.
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Post by eagozz on Dec 10, 2008 8:06:45 GMT -5
I was at that Leadmill gig last February, towards the back of the room then. One thing I do recall from that gig was the front rows piling onto the stage for Killer Parties (which I know used to happen in the US)......I've never seen it happen in the UK gigs I've been to since.Not sure why (or, if it's necessary), although I seem to recall Craig encouraging it at the Leadmill last year...not so since...
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Post by roywalker on Dec 10, 2008 8:12:27 GMT -5
I was at that Leadmill gig last February, towards the back of the room then. One thing I do recall from that gig was the front rows piling onto the stage for Killer Parties (which I know used to happen in the US)......I've never seen it happen in the UK gigs I've been to since.Not sure why (or, if it's necessary), although I seem to recall Craig encouraging it at the Leadmill last year...not so since... yeah, i was there. in the little add on that they put in the leadmill. right at the front, so i was one of the first up, i think it was the koob that started to pull people up on the stage, remember that got some guy out of the crowd to play guitar. it was all good fun!
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Post by biblesalesman on Dec 10, 2008 8:37:15 GMT -5
Young people have a different attitude towards gigs.
What exactly would that be?
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Post by missalabamanobody on Dec 10, 2008 10:40:11 GMT -5
Young people have a different attitude towards gigs.What exactly would that be? Old folks' walkers get in the way.
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Post by biblesalesman on Dec 10, 2008 10:49:50 GMT -5
I got your "walker" right here. LOL
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 10, 2008 12:44:44 GMT -5
I feel your disappointment, definitely. there's nothing worse than really digging something and not being sure if anybody else is! How about looking around you and making sure that other people are actually loving it, but not quite in the same way as you are expecting them to? Then, settle in and enjoy the band. Not everyone wants to rage . I was at the same show as this guy, feet away from him, and everyone round me was having a great time (he says, sounding like a fucking grandad! ) Looking back I did have a great time, but people seemed dissinterested, and looked more interested in their beer.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 10, 2008 12:59:40 GMT -5
ENC: Positive Jam Chips Ahoy Magazines (Not Played ) How A Resurrection Really Feels I think Magazines wasn't played because Craig's guitar broke.
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Post by peteb1951 on Dec 14, 2008 21:03:58 GMT -5
I think you're being a bit over critical here. The Leadmill last week was the fourth time I've seen them - previously, Leadmill first time, Manchester Carling, Leeds Irish Club and I enjoyed them all a lot. I think last Sunday was possibly the best performance by the guys, and the sound was better than Leeds. The crowds were different at all of them - small venue, not many people knew them the first time at the Leadmill, boisterous mostly young crowd with a couple of people being a bit aggressive near where I was at Manchester, great mixed crowd at Leeds with the younger ones (and me) at the front bouncing around. At the Leadmill this time I think it was an older crowd with a lot of people new to THS, I brought two mates both over 50 and my daughter (who's seen THS 3 times) brought her friend - they all had a great time but clearly weren't going to be able to sing along. 50+ is a bit old for the pit, and our zimmers might get in your way, but it doesn't mean we're not enjoying ourselves. It's even possible to enjoy yourself sittting down at a table - try the Boardwalk next time Wilko Johnson comes along.
I got some good video of most of the set, I was standing in front of Koobs about 10 ft from the stage. I'll put them on the net once i've split the up a bit and found a good site to post them on.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 15, 2008 13:28:14 GMT -5
Well I am young so I am talking from my perspective; Some music can be viewed from a table, or seated, such as The Arcade Fire or Laura Marling. But The Hold Steady are a ROCK band, people are expected to go crazy for the solos. I was overcritical, because I was slightly drunk when I wrote that, and still annoyed at the crowd. The band were on top form, I doubt anyone will see a band nail the performance as much as THS did that night. But I felt that the audience took the fun out of what could have been a fun show(instead of just a good performance). I felt like the crowd were oldies who didn't like moving, and newbies, with a very small percentage actually knowing the songs and having fun (regardless of age). It's just nicer to go to a gig where the audience know and appreciate the band more, which is why I should have gone to Manchester
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Post by nickos on Dec 16, 2008 10:55:14 GMT -5
Sorry dude, but this is about the third or fourth time you've mentioned the fact that new fans were spoiling your enjoyment of the evening, and - to be honest mate that really is a load of elitist bollocks.
I'm a relative newbie, I guess. I got into THS when BAGIA was released, loved it and have since bought all their other albums and love those too, as well as SP. If pushed, I'd probably say that SS is my fave of the four. Should I somehow feel guilty for this? Do you want me to apologise? Does this mean I should stay away from their gigs in case I offend a longer standing and therefore more deserving fan? I was dancing and singing at the Pompey show with the best of them - perhaps I should have hung around at the back? I am in my mid 30s after all, and so perhaps I shouldn't have even been there.
There'll always be people who liked them before you. I've heard it too many times, when seasoned fans resent the presence of new fans. To be honest, it's just a bit childish.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 16, 2008 12:40:22 GMT -5
Sorry dude, but this is about the third or fourth time you've mentioned the fact that new fans were spoiling your enjoyment of the evening, and - to be honest mate that really is a load of elitist bollocks. I'm a relative newbie, I guess. I got into THS when BAGIA was released, loved it and have since bought all their other albums and love those too, as well as SP. If pushed, I'd probably say that SS is my fave of the four. Should I somehow feel guilty for this? Do you want me to apologise? Does this mean I should stay away from their gigs in case I offend a longer standing and therefore more deserving fan? I was dancing and singing at the Pompey show with the best of them - perhaps I should have hung around at the back? I am in my mid 30s after all, and so perhaps I shouldn't have even been there. There'll always be people who liked them before you. I've heard it too many times, when seasoned fans resent the presence of new fans. To be honest, it's just a bit childish. I've got nothing against new fans, bring 'em on. But new fans tend to be timid since they don't know the songs. And I think we can all agree that we would rather have a crowd that know the songs, than one which is checking out a new band (which is a positive thing) but don't know the songs. And I know from personal experience that it is harder to thoroughly enjoy a band when you only know one or two songs. And I just felt like the majority of the audience where in that situation, and hopefully they will know the songs next time around and be rocking out. Also, I have been into the band approx the same amount of time as you (I presume that most of this board got into the band around the time of BAGIA, as it is there breakthrough album). I'm not being elitist saying; "I liked this band before they were popular and when it was only hardcore fans". Surely you can see the direction where I am coming from; Gig with those who know and love the band>gig where the audience are seeing a band with whom they are not that familiar with.
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Post by nickos on Dec 16, 2008 13:08:16 GMT -5
Fair points mate, fair points.
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Post by andy42g on Dec 16, 2008 13:36:02 GMT -5
I was overcritical, because I was slightly drunk when I wrote that, and still annoyed at the crowd. Sounds like you just got drunk and then pissed off when the crowd weren't in what you decided was the appropriate mode of behaviour i.e. the one you were in. Therefore maybe it was YOU who were the boring one at that gig? Anyway - sounds like everyone else had a fine old time whether we knew every world of all of the songs or not.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 16, 2008 13:58:40 GMT -5
I was overcritical, because I was slightly drunk when I wrote that, and still annoyed at the crowd. Sounds like you just got drunk and then pissed off when the crowd weren't in what you decided was the appropriate mode of behaviour i.e. the one you were in. Therefore maybe it was YOU who were the boring one at that gig? Anyway - sounds like everyone else had a fine old time whether we knew every world of all of the songs or not. 2 smirnoff ice's don't get me drunk It's not that everyone didn't know the words (I badly phrased it badly) it's that they didn't know the songs. Which hopefully after that gig they will. I see where you are coming from; Young people jump around Older folks tend to chill.
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Post by parock on Dec 16, 2008 21:12:48 GMT -5
Stop drinking Smirnoff Ice and everything else will fall into place...
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Post by Mahoney on Dec 16, 2008 21:39:37 GMT -5
Stop drinking Smirnoff Ice and everything else will fall into place... wow, that made me crack up after following this ramble down to the bottom of the page. heed the man's advice.
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Post by mike on Dec 17, 2008 5:35:46 GMT -5
Sounds like you just got drunk and then pissed off when the crowd weren't in what you decided was the appropriate mode of behaviour i.e. the one you were in. Therefore maybe it was YOU who were the boring one at that gig? Anyway - sounds like everyone else had a fine old time whether we knew every world of all of the songs or not. 2 smirnoff ice's don't get me drunk It's not that everyone didn't know the words (I badly phrased it badly) it's that they didn't know the songs. Which hopefully after that gig they will. I see where you are coming from; Young people jump around Older folks tend to chill. sometimes the older folks who tend to chill don't even like it when the young folks bounce into them and generally destroy their concept of personal space for an hour while they're trying to watch a band play. i know! crazy bastards, right?! who do they think they are? if they've paid in then it's these kids's right, nay, duty, to be as obnoxious as possible. the leadmill gig was fairly poor by hold steady standards, though. the band looked tired and not particularly enthusiastic, the atmosphere in the crowd was weird and a bit frosty, the mark inside suck, which can't have helped, and i spent half the set trying desperately not to pay attention to the fact that the idiot standing next to me kept fingerpointing, but instead of putting his hand out in front of himself he'd literally just shove his hairy, sweaty arm directly in front of my face. i'd have done something about it if he wasn't so much more muscular than i.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 17, 2008 12:41:36 GMT -5
The Leadmill isn't a venue designed to offer a lot of personal space.
And since when is having fun being obnoxious
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Post by nickos on Dec 17, 2008 12:49:49 GMT -5
So to sum the thread up then; lots of people liked it, but you didn't like it.
Earth shattering shit, this.
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Post by gushingblood on Dec 17, 2008 12:58:07 GMT -5
Noooooo. When I had just got back from the show I was dissapointed. I liked the band, they were fantastic, but I thought that the audience provided no enthusiasm.
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Post by mike on Dec 18, 2008 5:32:39 GMT -5
The Leadmill isn't a venue designed to offer a lot of personal space. And since when is having fun being obnoxious it's not, but if you enjoy being obnoxious then i suppose it can be. i was hamming it up to emphasise the fact there's another side to the argument, and i have no problem with dancing, but there are few things more annoying than that one guy who has decided that the rest of the audience isn't enjoying the band enough and decides to bound around like an overexcited puppy, bouncing into people and getting in people's faces when they're trying to enjoy the band. i mean, if everyone's jumping around and getting sweaty then it's no big deal, but if that's not happening then i think people's personal space should be respected...there was plenty of room for personal space in the leadmill that night. it's a pretty big room and i'm fairly sure it wasn't full. i have pretty serious problems with my knees where they dislocate really easily (which i tried to ignore at a hold steady concert in manchester earlier in the year and wound up on crutches for a month), so if i go to a gig i'll judge the state of the crowd and try to stand as far forward as i can without being at serious risk of getting shoved, and if i misjudge it then it can turn into an unpleasant experience. one thing i actually really appreciated about the sheffield gig was the fact i could get close to the front without worrying about my safety. xo
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