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Post by blackbeard on May 4, 2010 18:07:14 GMT -5
I know several people who write for Pitchfork, and they come up with their own scores. Sometimes, a score can be slightly tweaked (ie, a 7.8 instead of an 8.0) so as better to represent the staff consensus. But it's just that--the staff consensus, rather than the decree of some evil dictator on the top floor. Review is very good, for what it's worth. Popular music criticism is generally weak, but this one is solid.
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Post by bmegroove on May 4, 2010 19:00:53 GMT -5
Pitchfork blows. I don't think I will waste my time reading this review or anything else on that joke of a website. I rarely agree with their hipster arrogance anyways. They are everything that is wrong with the music industry. EVERYTHING wrong with the music industry? Surely you could come up with a handful of individual PEOPLE that are far worse for the industry than a website that gets people talking and makes music fans care about music - whether it's against the pfork opinion or with it. Pitchfork may be posturing but they aren't promoting laziness in songwriting or music making in general. Marketable "creativity" forced on the general public by groups like Black Eyed Peas is a far, far greater crime against REAL music.
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Post by smugsy on May 4, 2010 19:56:08 GMT -5
The review was fair, so we might as well be. Pitchfork can be shitty at times, but the real people that make it intolerable are the people who read the reviews and buy that shit hook line and sinker every time. Just because someone tells you Kid A is the best album ever made doesn't mean you should make love to your girlfriend while listening to it and then brag about it later.
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Post by ontheradio on May 4, 2010 19:59:38 GMT -5
Anyone who takes what pitchfork says at face value isn't a real music fan. They're just there for show.
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Post by dannyhatch on May 4, 2010 20:19:15 GMT -5
Anyone who takes what pitchfork says at face value isn't a real music fan. They're just there for show. How could anyone say that, though? Who is anybody to decide who a "real music fan" is? The whole point of most music, especially The Hold Steady's, is to embrace music and positivity together. Bashing a music publication that you find elitist makes you just as elitist and poser-ish as anybody you were trying to bash. For what it's worth, I don't agree with the rating - 6.2 is lower than what I would have ranked it (I'd place it in the 8.5-9 category - I really love it.) I think one of this album's greatest strengths (and weaknesses if you take into account the sheer immediacy of modern publishing) is that it's a definite grower. I wasn't too fond of HiW at first but I found myself slowly growing more and more accustomed to it until I found myself breaking out into goosebumps while listening to "We Can Get Together," even though I'd heard it 50 times before. So. That was a bit of a rambler.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2010 21:05:47 GMT -5
The review was fair, so we might as well be. Pitchfork can be shitty at times, but the real people that make it intolerable are the people who read the reviews and buy that shit hook line and sinker every time. Just because someone tells you Kid A is the best album ever made doesn't mean you should make love to your girlfriend while listening to it and then brag about it later. yeah... sex to Radiohead is pretty depressing, even/especially if it's your girlfriend's idea hypothetically... ANYWAY, it was a fair review, and i think P-Fork kinda regrets the 9.4 review for BAGIA, even if it was deserved we want a conversation about the band... otherwise we're as bad as the videogame fanboys who go rabid at less then favorable scores
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2010 21:07:00 GMT -5
Anyone who takes what pitchfork says at face value isn't a real music fan. They're just there for show. anyone who ONLY gets their opinions from P-Fork is just there for show but i can see using it as a guide to new music or a way to see what people are saying about an album
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Post by 530folkmass on May 4, 2010 21:50:10 GMT -5
My take on this (and it might a bit cynical) is:
This Pitchfork thread has spawned 2 pages so far of opinion. That tells me that people care what it says. We don't need to agree with it or like it, but obviously it carries some weight if it is being discussed this thoroughly. If P4K had given it a 9.2, what would the reaction be here?
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Post by blackbeard on May 4, 2010 22:23:45 GMT -5
The reaction was one of joy and validation, when Boys and Girls got such love. Same thing on the old mailing list, when Separation Sunday came out. Same thing, too, when it placed really high on P&J, early the next year.
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Post by ontheradio on May 4, 2010 22:23:47 GMT -5
meh, i'm not here to argue on the internet.
i am an elitist, though. i'll readily admit to that. but what i like really IS better than what everyone else likes. [lollolololol]
Anyway.
my problem with pitchfork is that they are an embodiment of the problems surrounding independent music today. mean, bitter, and NOT EMBRACING POSITIVITY in the least. They're proud of this. I find that problematic.
It's not the indie rock bible. It clearly won't make or break THS. That's my point, no need to throw around the poser title. Because that wasn't my intention.
cheers, bro.
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Post by getincredible on May 4, 2010 22:37:53 GMT -5
I've read a bunch of the HIW reviews and I do feel like pitchfork's was the least accurate. I disagree with anyone who thought it was fair...HIW is a tremendous album.
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Post by duende on May 4, 2010 23:28:58 GMT -5
People that work for Pitchfork are indie snobs and utterly useless! I F@@@@ hate Pitchfork and indie snobs,with a passion!
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Post by Sunny D on May 4, 2010 23:35:32 GMT -5
I miss when I could just enjoy music without dealing with all the fucking politics.
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Post by muzzleofbees on May 5, 2010 2:33:01 GMT -5
I've read a bunch of the HIW reviews and I do feel like pitchfork's was the least accurate. I disagree with anyone who thought it was fair...HIW is a tremendous album. I think it's possible to disagree with the verdict, and still think the review is fair. It's not like he's bashing Hold Steady, he just don't think the album is that good. And he tells us why, in a sober and decent way. What's not fair about that?
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Post by dcunited on May 5, 2010 5:31:25 GMT -5
Fair review. I would have thought it would earn a 7, considering the high scores they gave earlier Hold Steady albums.
Almost Killed Me: 8.0 Separation Sunday: 8.7 Boys and Girls in America: 9.4 Stay Positive: 8.4 Heaven is Whenever: 6.2
Hard to argue with that. The new album is underwhelming and just OK.
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Post by smugsy on May 5, 2010 14:47:56 GMT -5
I miss when I could just enjoy music without dealing with all the fucking politics. gettin this tattooed across my chest tomorrow
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Post by Sunny D on May 5, 2010 14:50:45 GMT -5
I miss when I could just enjoy music without dealing with all the fucking politics. gettin this tattooed across my chest tomorrow That's the spirit!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 18:45:46 GMT -5
if it's not the indie rock bible, then what is?
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Post by ontheradio on May 5, 2010 20:36:27 GMT -5
if it's not the indie rock bible, then what is? Why does there have to be one?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 18:29:09 GMT -5
i dunno but P-Fork seems like it is
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